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From: "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@knm.org.pl>
To: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 18:00:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083600024.1643.230.camel@qrnik> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083596890.20722.766.camel@pelican.wigram>

W liście z wto, 04-05-2004, godz. 01:08 +1000, skaller napisał:

> Well, no run time error: y just happens to
> be zero initially :)

Ah. My language doesn't let the programmer observe the value of
a variable before proper initialization. Variables are immutable
by default. I don't like undetected errors which are possible to detect,
and I claim using a variable before initialization is most definitely an
error.

What are values with no "natural" default initialized to? For example
functions. In OCaml's syntax:

let f x = x + 1
let g x = x - 1
let h() = v 0
let v = if h() > 0 then g else f

> Felix uses gmp. However it has all the C int types as well.

I have one integer type on the language level, which is tagged in
the lowest bits or uses GMP if it's bigger. The difference of the
representation is fully transparent for the programmer, except in
inline C. There are C functions for converting between this hybrid
representation and various C types provided.

> Oh .. none of them are built in, not even bool.
> You *have* to 'inline C' the lot.

My bool type is defined in the language, without inline C :-)

> You'd be surprised. When I wrote Vyper, I did a lot
> of analysis to try to make things static.
> For Python, that proved almost impossible.
> 
> With a little care you can probably 
> do very much better with just a little type inference.

You mean that Python's specific features make it hard? I imagine the
main problem is that in Python almost everything is mutable, including
global function bindings.

-- 
   __("<         Marcin Kowalczyk
   \__/       qrczak@knm.org.pl
    ^^     http://qrnik.knm.org.pl/~qrczak/


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-03 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 18:51 John Goerzen
2004-04-23 19:52 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 20:09   ` Alexander V. Voinov
2004-04-23 20:27     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:23   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:36     ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:10       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:12         ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:18           ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:32             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-23 21:46             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:58               ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-24  8:15                 ` Matthieu BRUCHER
2004-04-24  8:15                   ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:36           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:33         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:04           ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  4:26             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  8:13               ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  9:28                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-25  8:56                   ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-25 11:54                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 14:53                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 21:02                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-25 19:42                     ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 13:16                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 13:53                         ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:26                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  6:52                             ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:23                         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:55                           ` skaller
2004-04-26 15:26                           ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 19:28                             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 20:56                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:14                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:32                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:52                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-27 16:00                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 21:51                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 19:08                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 22:22                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-28  7:42                                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-29 10:13                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 15:43                               ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 16:17                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 16:58                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 23:35                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  3:44                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:01                                         ` Richard Jones
2004-04-28 21:30                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 21:44                                           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 22:41                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 11:51                                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:03                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:16                                                   ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 10:27                                             ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 13:03                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 13:40                                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 14:02                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:31                                                     ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 17:31                                                       ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 23:53                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-30  4:10                                                           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 11:23                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:23                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:10                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:35                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:46                                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:58                                                       ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 20:41                                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 22:35                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-05-01 14:37                                                 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-29 13:23                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 14:12                                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:37                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  7:05                                       ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  0:20                                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  3:39                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:04                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-04-24  9:40               ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library Oliver Bandel
2004-04-23 22:54           ` Henri DF
2004-04-23 23:11           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-25  6:55           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-25  7:56             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-25 11:50             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 13:55               ` skaller
2004-04-26 12:08                 ` Martin Berger
2004-04-26 12:51                   ` skaller
2004-04-26 14:49                   ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:31                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-28  5:13                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28  8:37                       ` skaller
2004-04-28  9:18                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28 11:24                           ` skaller
2004-04-28 15:18                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 16:28                               ` skaller
2004-04-28 18:02                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29  0:54                                   ` skaller
2004-04-29 11:57                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-29 13:38                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 18:42                                 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  1:03                                   ` skaller
2004-04-29  1:56                                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  2:35                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  3:00                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:04                                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  5:38                                           ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:47                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 12:05                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 17:07                             ` james woodyatt
2004-04-28 17:31                               ` skaller
2004-05-03  0:02                                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03  7:54                                   ` skaller
2004-05-03  8:58                                     ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 10:58                                       ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:40                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 13:04                                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-05-03 14:24                                           ` brogoff
2004-05-03 15:26                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 15:08                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 16:00                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk [this message]
2004-05-03 11:32                                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Tail-calls in C code (was: [ANN] The Missing Library) Wolfgang Lux
2004-05-03 12:34                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:38                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:55                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 13:02                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-04-28 15:15                       ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-28 20:43                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-30 15:58                       ` Brian Hurt
2004-05-01  2:48                         ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:24                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:42                       ` Martin Berger
2004-04-28 11:38                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 16:07                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 11:31                       ` [Caml-list] " Yaron M. Minsky
2004-04-28 12:09                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 12:36                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 13:39                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:02                               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 15:34                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:15                           ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 14:31                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:40                               ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 15:51                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:29                           ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 16:10                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 17:14                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 17:34                               ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 20:00                               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-25 12:20             ` [Caml-list] " Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 14:06               ` skaller
2004-04-25 15:07                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26  0:19                   ` skaller
2004-04-23 22:08         ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2004-04-24  4:40           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 10:10           ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 19:31             ` skaller
2004-04-23 20:54     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 21:07       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-25 15:43       ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  0:22         ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:10           ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  6:48     ` Florian Hars
2004-04-23 20:41 ` Eric C. Cooper
2004-04-23 21:16   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:28     ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-23 22:37       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 23:16         ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24  1:38           ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt -pack portability John Carr
2004-04-24 10:31             ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 16:53               ` John Carr
2004-04-24  4:46         ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-24  2:43       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  9:19         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-24 12:27           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24 12:58             ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 17:36               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:49               ` Florian Hars
2004-04-24  2:44       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  4:51       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  5:11         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-24 12:59       ` Proposal: community standard library project (was: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-24 17:29         ` [Caml-list] RE: Proposal: community standard library project Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-24 18:23           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25  4:37             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  1:45         ` [Caml-list] " Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26  3:03           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  7:43           ` Martin Jambon
2004-04-26 18:25           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26 19:37             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 20:24               ` skaller
2004-04-26 20:39                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:17                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27  9:06                   ` skaller
2004-04-27  9:35                     ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-27 11:29                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 12:52                       ` skaller
2004-04-27 18:13                       ` [Caml-list] CVS labeling (was Re: Proposal: community standard library project) Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27 18:53                         ` John Goerzen

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