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From: Benjamin Geer <ben@socialtools.net>
To: Richard Jones <rich@annexia.org>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:10:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40911AF6.7020105@socialtools.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040429122305.GA6688@redhat.com>

Richard Jones wrote:
> Good user interface design does *not* require you to read manuals to
> find out how to use it

I don't expect programming APIs to be as obvious as user interfaces.  If 
I can work out how to use an API without reading a tutorial or HOWTO, 
that's great, but if not, I don't see it as a flaw in the API.

There is a tradeoff between power and flexibility on the one hand, and 
obviousness and simplicity on the other.

> I deliberately chose to make
> the common case this simple because it's the common case and people
> shouldn't have to remember much to use it.

Java does that, too.  If your default encoding is UTF-8, and you want to 
read a UTF-8 file, you can write this instead:

BufferedReader in = new BufferedReader(new FileReader(filename));

If you don't need buffering, you can write:

FileReader in = new FileReader(filename);

and read characters one at a time or in blocks, instead of line-by-line.

I like the fact that the API makes a distinction between bytes and 
characters; I can deal with I/O as raw bytes, or I can use an optional 
layer that translates bytes into characters.  If I don't need that 
layer, I don't have to pay for the overhead.  Likewise, I can add 
buffering only if I need it.  Best of all, if

 > Here's how you read in and parse a CSV file using my OCaml
 > CSV library:
 >
 >   let csv = Csv.load csvfile in

This seems to take too much for granted.  How do I specify the encoding 
and the line endings?  Is all that part of the Csv library, meaning that 
the Csv library has yet another mechanism for handling encodings?  What 
if my file is encrypted or compressed?  How do I make Csv.load use my 
decryption or decompression function?  Do you see what I'm getting at?

This is why I'm pleading for a layered API, so that character encoding, 
buffering, compression, encryption, and any other optional processing 
can be handled by optional layers that everyone can use, whether they're 
dealing with network protocols or just reading files from a disk. 
Moreover, I'm arguing that there should be some stream abstraction that 
can be passed around to things like Csv.load, and that different 
implementations of this abstraction should be free to implement 
decoding, decompression, and so on.  Does that make sense to you?

Ben

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Thread overview: 210+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 18:51 [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-23 19:52 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 20:09   ` Alexander V. Voinov
2004-04-23 20:27     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:23   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:36     ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:10       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:12         ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:18           ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:32             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-23 21:46             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:58               ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-24  8:15                 ` Matthieu BRUCHER
2004-04-24  8:15                   ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:36           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:33         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:04           ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  4:26             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  8:13               ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  9:28                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-25  8:56                   ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-25 11:54                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 14:53                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 21:02                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-25 19:42                     ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 13:16                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 13:53                         ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:26                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  6:52                             ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:23                         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:55                           ` skaller
2004-04-26 15:26                           ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 19:28                             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 20:56                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:14                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:32                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:52                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-27 16:00                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 21:51                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 19:08                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 22:22                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-28  7:42                                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-29 10:13                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 15:43                               ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 16:17                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 16:58                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 23:35                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  3:44                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:01                                         ` Richard Jones
2004-04-28 21:30                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 21:44                                           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 22:41                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 11:51                                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:03                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:16                                                   ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 10:27                                             ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 13:03                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 13:40                                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 14:02                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:31                                                     ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 17:31                                                       ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 23:53                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-30  4:10                                                           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 11:23                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:23                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:10                                                 ` Benjamin Geer [this message]
2004-04-29 15:35                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:46                                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:58                                                       ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 20:41                                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 22:35                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-05-01 14:37                                                 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-29 13:23                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 14:12                                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:37                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  7:05                                       ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  0:20                                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  3:39                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:04                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-04-24  9:40               ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library Oliver Bandel
2004-04-23 22:54           ` Henri DF
2004-04-23 23:11           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-25  6:55           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-25  7:56             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-25 11:50             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 13:55               ` skaller
2004-04-26 12:08                 ` Martin Berger
2004-04-26 12:51                   ` skaller
2004-04-26 14:49                   ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:31                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-28  5:13                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28  8:37                       ` skaller
2004-04-28  9:18                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28 11:24                           ` skaller
2004-04-28 15:18                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 16:28                               ` skaller
2004-04-28 18:02                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29  0:54                                   ` skaller
2004-04-29 11:57                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-29 13:38                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 18:42                                 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  1:03                                   ` skaller
2004-04-29  1:56                                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  2:35                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  3:00                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:04                                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  5:38                                           ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:47                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 12:05                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 17:07                             ` james woodyatt
2004-04-28 17:31                               ` skaller
2004-05-03  0:02                                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03  7:54                                   ` skaller
2004-05-03  8:58                                     ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 10:58                                       ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:40                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 13:04                                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-05-03 14:24                                           ` brogoff
2004-05-03 15:26                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 15:08                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 16:00                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 11:32                                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Tail-calls in C code (was: [ANN] The Missing Library) Wolfgang Lux
2004-05-03 12:34                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:38                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:55                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 13:02                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-04-28 15:15                       ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-28 20:43                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-30 15:58                       ` Brian Hurt
2004-05-01  2:48                         ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:24                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:42                       ` Martin Berger
2004-04-28 11:38                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 16:07                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 11:31                       ` [Caml-list] " Yaron M. Minsky
2004-04-28 12:09                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 12:36                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 13:39                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:02                               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 15:34                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:15                           ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 14:31                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:40                               ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 15:51                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:29                           ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 16:10                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 17:14                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 17:34                               ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 20:00                               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-25 12:20             ` [Caml-list] " Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 14:06               ` skaller
2004-04-25 15:07                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26  0:19                   ` skaller
2004-04-23 22:08         ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2004-04-24  4:40           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 10:10           ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 19:31             ` skaller
2004-04-23 20:54     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 21:07       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-25 15:43       ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  0:22         ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:10           ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  6:48     ` Florian Hars
2004-04-23 20:41 ` Eric C. Cooper
2004-04-23 21:16   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:28     ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-23 22:37       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 23:16         ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24  1:38           ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt -pack portability John Carr
2004-04-24 10:31             ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 16:53               ` John Carr
2004-04-24  4:46         ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-24  2:43       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  9:19         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-24 12:27           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24 12:58             ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 17:36               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:49               ` Florian Hars
2004-04-24  2:44       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  4:51       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  5:11         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-24 12:59       ` Proposal: community standard library project (was: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-24 17:29         ` [Caml-list] RE: Proposal: community standard library project Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-24 18:23           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25  4:37             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  1:45         ` [Caml-list] " Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26  3:03           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  7:43           ` Martin Jambon
2004-04-26 18:25           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26 19:37             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 20:24               ` skaller
2004-04-26 20:39                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:17                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27  9:06                   ` skaller
2004-04-27  9:35                     ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-27 11:29                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 12:52                       ` skaller
2004-04-27 18:13                       ` [Caml-list] CVS labeling (was Re: Proposal: community standard library project) Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27 18:53                         ` John Goerzen
2004-05-03  6:12 [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Vladimir N. Silyaev
2004-05-04 21:31 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-05-04 22:59   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-05-05  8:11     ` skaller
2004-05-05 15:48       ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-05 19:28         ` skaller
2004-05-05 17:33     ` Vladimir N. Silyaev
2004-05-05 17:31   ` Vladimir N. Silyaev
2004-05-07 22:11     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-05-08  7:29       ` Vladimir N. Silyaev
2004-05-09 17:35         ` Benjamin Geer

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