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From: Basile Starynkevitch <basile.starynkevitch@inria.fr>
To: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:05:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040407210524.GA13909@bourg.inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <slrnc78j62.6q6.jgoerzen@christoph.complete.org>

On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 06:47:30PM +0000, John Goerzen wrote:

> I am moving from Python to OCaml and one of the things I miss is
> Python's eval() call.  It takes a string representing a bit of Python
> source code, evaluates it, and returns the result.  I would like to be
> able to do similar things with OCaml.

As observed by others, there is a big typing issue around this (what
would be the type of the eval function)?

If you really need something, you could hack the toplevel (at your own
risk). I don't think it is a good idea, unless you did very well
understood what you really want to do.

However, the functional values are usually enough to avoid the "eval",
and an "eval" won't be really safe.

Also, you could use metaocaml, which provide constructs (inspired by
eval) to typefully meta-program, ie generate programs at runtime in a
rather safe manner.

See http://www.cs.rice.edu/~taha/MetaOCaml/ for more.

dynamics (like old work from Leroy & Mauny - see X.Leroy's publication
pages on http://cristal.inria.fr/~xleroy ) and runtime type
information (like in Jun Furse GCaml) might also help - and are in
some remote way a bit related to eval's typing.

In addition to typing issues, there is also a runtime issue: dynamic
code generation really requires garbage collection of executable code,
which is not available in Ocaml (and would be terrible to implement -
it would mean rewrite most of the system)

________________


However, for the beginner, the good answer (at least as given by Ocaml
gurus here) to the usual "I want eval" request is simply "no you don't
really need it"



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-07 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-07 18:47 John Goerzen
2004-04-07 20:37 ` Samuel Mimram
2004-04-07 21:05 ` Basile Starynkevitch [this message]
2002-01-04  0:43   ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  0:58     ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08  6:24     ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08  7:47       ` Oleg Trott
2004-04-08  8:04         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  7:52       ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  8:15         ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:37       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:56         ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:14           ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 15:26             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:39               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 15:58               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 17:59                 ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-08 18:20                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:39                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 19:21                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:29                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13  6:15                 ` Trevor Andrade
2004-04-13 11:17                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 13:16                     ` skaller
2004-04-13 14:24                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 14:53                       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 18:07                         ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI (was: Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 19:30                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 19:57                             ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 20:45                               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  0:34                                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14  5:35                                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:00                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:21                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  9:17                                         ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:16                                     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:38                                       ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  8:32                                         ` Matt Gushee
2004-04-14  8:48                                           ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-04-14  8:40                                         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 17:14                                           ` David Brown
2004-04-14 18:50                                             ` [Caml-list] benefit of package management Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-15  6:46                                             ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 15:05                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15  0:20                                           ` skaller
2004-04-15  2:36                                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15 17:48                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-14 10:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI skaller
2004-04-14  1:04                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14  2:52                               ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  5:14                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:53                                   ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  6:57                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                     ` <407D2075.2070104@jollys.org>
2004-04-14 16:14                                       ` ocamlconf on Cygwin (Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake) Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-14 11:54                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 16:49                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  1:05                                         ` skaller
2004-04-15  6:34                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  7:33                                             ` skaller
2004-04-15 16:00                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                                 ` <1082049025.20677.1250.camel@pelican>
2004-04-15 17:38                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 23:58                                                     ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16  1:16                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16  6:31                                                         ` [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16 14:38                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 15:16                                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:12                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 16:17                                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:39                                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  6:01                                                                     ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-17  6:25                                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  9:19                                                                       ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-16 21:53                                                             ` William Lovas
2004-04-17  2:30                                                               ` skaller
2004-04-17  5:47                                                               ` Blair Zajac
2004-04-17  6:28                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 14:52                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 16:06                                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 18:10                                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:43                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 19:55                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:46                                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-16 18:55                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 20:22                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 19:39                                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 21:00                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  9:47                                           ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Markus Mottl
2004-04-15 16:38                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16  1:30                                               ` Richard Cole
2004-04-16 14:11                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  1:25                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 12:19                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 18:21                                       ` [Caml-list] recompiling bytecode Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 18:54                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14 20:26                                           ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-14 20:35                                         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-15  1:39                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 13:03                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14 12:45                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 15:03                       ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Matt Gushee
2004-04-13 17:24                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-09  5:40             ` skaller
2004-04-08 15:30           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 16:08             ` Xavier Leroy
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 17:35               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09  6:41                 ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:44               ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-09  6:23               ` skaller
2004-04-09  6:33                 ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  7:37                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:17                     ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  8:35                     ` OT: licences (was Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-10 10:10                       ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:36                 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Markus Mottl
2004-04-10  9:59                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  9:09                 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 17:55               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09 13:44                 ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 15:31           ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 19:52             ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-25 23:07               ` [Caml-list] Is GCaml Dead Again? Greg K
2004-04-08 15:04         ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Fernando Alegre
2004-04-08 15:22         ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-09  6:44           ` Pierre Weis
2004-04-08 15:23         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 15:38           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 22:31             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 18:28           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-08 17:15         ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08 18:32           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-09  5:04         ` skaller
2004-04-08 17:25       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  7:10     ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-08 17:09       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-07 21:32 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 20:39   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-07 21:47     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 22:14     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-08  7:49     ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:11     ` Christophe TROESTLER
     [not found] ` <200404072306.15109.clement.capel@free.fr>
2004-04-07 23:25   ` clement capel
2004-04-13 21:25     ` [Caml-list] eval for OCaml Brock
2004-04-08  0:17 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 17:31 ` Walid Taha

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