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From: Kenneth Knowles <kknowles@berkeley.edu>
To: "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:16:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040414061600.GA25717@tallman.kefka.frap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OOEALCJCKEBJBIJHCNJDIEPAHAAB.vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 10:35:59PM -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
> I am not interested in Free Software as in 'free beer', I am interested
> as in 'free speech'.  And FWIW I'm on the MIT/BSD side of the debate.
> If you're going to give it away, give it away completely.  If it's too
> valuable to give away, don't.  I want my OCaml code to be commercially
> useful for game development.  I'm only interested in Open Source as a
> business model - where is the *profit* of the software commons?  I
> think, it is in fixing stupid things that are a PITA for everyone over
> and over again.  Like package management for instance.  I could care
> less about FSF style idealism.  I want things to work on the platform
> I'm stuck with for the forseeable future.

The primary motivation for much free software *is* FSF-style idealism.  It is
not reasonable to expect to reap the benefits of this idealism while
contradicting its values.

All I hear is "gimme, gimme" when non-free software developers ask for MIT/BSD
and LGPL licenses.  I am a non-free software developer myself, so don't think I
don't see from that perspective.

> > When you look to other languages: There are often commercial interests
> > behind ports to Windows (e.g. ActiveState). I don't think the O'Caml
> > market is ready for such a thing.
> 
> Things don't get ready by waiting around for others to act.  People who
> want to get it ready, are what get it ready.

Well said.  It is telling that there is noone who wants to get it ready,
considering Windows' market share.

Kenn

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-14  6:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-07 18:47 [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code John Goerzen
2004-04-07 20:37 ` Samuel Mimram
2004-04-07 21:05 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2002-01-04  0:43   ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  0:58     ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08  6:24     ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08  7:47       ` Oleg Trott
2004-04-08  8:04         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  7:52       ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  8:15         ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:37       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:56         ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:14           ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 15:26             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:39               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 15:58               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 17:59                 ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-08 18:20                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:39                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 19:21                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:29                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13  6:15                 ` Trevor Andrade
2004-04-13 11:17                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 13:16                     ` skaller
2004-04-13 14:24                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 14:53                       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 18:07                         ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI (was: Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 19:30                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 19:57                             ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 20:45                               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  0:34                                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14  5:35                                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:00                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:21                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  9:17                                         ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:16                                     ` Kenneth Knowles [this message]
2004-04-14  7:38                                       ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  8:32                                         ` Matt Gushee
2004-04-14  8:48                                           ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-04-14  8:40                                         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 17:14                                           ` David Brown
2004-04-14 18:50                                             ` [Caml-list] benefit of package management Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-15  6:46                                             ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 15:05                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15  0:20                                           ` skaller
2004-04-15  2:36                                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15 17:48                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-14 10:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI skaller
2004-04-14  1:04                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14  2:52                               ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  5:14                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:53                                   ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  6:57                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                     ` <407D2075.2070104@jollys.org>
2004-04-14 16:14                                       ` ocamlconf on Cygwin (Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake) Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-14 11:54                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 16:49                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  1:05                                         ` skaller
2004-04-15  6:34                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  7:33                                             ` skaller
2004-04-15 16:00                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                                 ` <1082049025.20677.1250.camel@pelican>
2004-04-15 17:38                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 23:58                                                     ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16  1:16                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16  6:31                                                         ` [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16 14:38                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 15:16                                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:12                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 16:17                                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:39                                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  6:01                                                                     ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-17  6:25                                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  9:19                                                                       ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-16 21:53                                                             ` William Lovas
2004-04-17  2:30                                                               ` skaller
2004-04-17  5:47                                                               ` Blair Zajac
2004-04-17  6:28                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 14:52                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 16:06                                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 18:10                                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:43                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 19:55                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:46                                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-16 18:55                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 20:22                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 19:39                                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 21:00                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  9:47                                           ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Markus Mottl
2004-04-15 16:38                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16  1:30                                               ` Richard Cole
2004-04-16 14:11                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  1:25                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 12:19                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 18:21                                       ` [Caml-list] recompiling bytecode Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 18:54                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14 20:26                                           ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-14 20:35                                         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-15  1:39                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 13:03                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14 12:45                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 15:03                       ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Matt Gushee
2004-04-13 17:24                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-09  5:40             ` skaller
2004-04-08 15:30           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 16:08             ` Xavier Leroy
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 17:35               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09  6:41                 ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:44               ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-09  6:23               ` skaller
2004-04-09  6:33                 ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  7:37                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:17                     ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  8:35                     ` OT: licences (was Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-10 10:10                       ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:36                 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Markus Mottl
2004-04-10  9:59                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  9:09                 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 17:55               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09 13:44                 ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 15:31           ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 19:52             ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-25 23:07               ` [Caml-list] Is GCaml Dead Again? Greg K
2004-04-08 15:04         ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Fernando Alegre
2004-04-08 15:22         ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-09  6:44           ` Pierre Weis
2004-04-08 15:23         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 15:38           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 22:31             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 18:28           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-08 17:15         ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08 18:32           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-09  5:04         ` skaller
2004-04-08 17:25       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  7:10     ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-08 17:09       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-07 21:32 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 20:39   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-07 21:47     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 22:14     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-08  7:49     ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:11     ` Christophe TROESTLER
     [not found] ` <200404072306.15109.clement.capel@free.fr>
2004-04-07 23:25   ` clement capel
2004-04-13 21:25     ` [Caml-list] eval for OCaml Brock
2004-04-08  0:17 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 17:31 ` Walid Taha

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