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From: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
To: Kenneth Knowles <kknowles@berkeley.edu>
Cc: Jean-Marc EBER <jeanmarc.eber@lexifi.com>,
	Ocaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:39:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040408183957.GB2311@excelhustler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040408182044.GA18551@tallman.kefka.frap.net>

On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 11:20:44AM -0700, Kenneth Knowles wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 07:59:04PM +0200, Jean-Marc EBER wrote:
> > I don't need to mention that your previous particular problem is so
> > trivial that it could easily be expressed with arrays as a "one
> > liner" of caml code... Look at Array.sub...
> 
> This is also a general principle - O'Caml is concise enough that a lot
> of helper functions you would expect in imperative scripting languages
> or C are too simple to include, for the sake of cleanliness.  I

That's an excellent practice, one I am still adjusting to.  For
instance, "String.make 1" makes sense as an alternative to
String.string_of_char.

However, while perhaps someone could design a more advanced String.sub
that can count backwards from the end of the string (I posted one such
example) in one line of the code, it may still have merit being in the
library.  Otherwise, everyone will probably end up writing a function
anyway (since it's too ugly to use inline with any frequency) and this
reduces the efficiency of programming with OCaml.

> By the way, list slicing has the same complexity as Array.of_list and
> then Array.sub so it is, in fact, in the standard library.  Don't even
> bother talking about efficiency at a lower level than complexity of
> algorithms until you have a complete, profiled program - and of course
> you are talking about disk access so there's not a chance of the
> slicing being a bottleneck.

My simplified example does not necessary represent all possible ones.
Some people may be dealing with 500MB structures where going back and
forth between lists and arrays is not even an executable option.

-- John

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-08 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-07 18:47 John Goerzen
2004-04-07 20:37 ` Samuel Mimram
2004-04-07 21:05 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2002-01-04  0:43   ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  0:58     ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08  6:24     ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08  7:47       ` Oleg Trott
2004-04-08  8:04         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  7:52       ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  8:15         ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:37       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:56         ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:14           ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 15:26             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:39               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 15:58               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 17:59                 ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-08 18:20                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:39                     ` John Goerzen [this message]
2004-04-08 19:21                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:29                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13  6:15                 ` Trevor Andrade
2004-04-13 11:17                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 13:16                     ` skaller
2004-04-13 14:24                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 14:53                       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 18:07                         ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI (was: Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 19:30                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 19:57                             ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 20:45                               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  0:34                                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14  5:35                                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:00                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:21                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  9:17                                         ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:16                                     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:38                                       ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  8:32                                         ` Matt Gushee
2004-04-14  8:48                                           ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-04-14  8:40                                         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 17:14                                           ` David Brown
2004-04-14 18:50                                             ` [Caml-list] benefit of package management Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-15  6:46                                             ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 15:05                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15  0:20                                           ` skaller
2004-04-15  2:36                                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15 17:48                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-14 10:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI skaller
2004-04-14  1:04                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14  2:52                               ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  5:14                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:53                                   ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  6:57                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                     ` <407D2075.2070104@jollys.org>
2004-04-14 16:14                                       ` ocamlconf on Cygwin (Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake) Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-14 11:54                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 16:49                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  1:05                                         ` skaller
2004-04-15  6:34                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  7:33                                             ` skaller
2004-04-15 16:00                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                                 ` <1082049025.20677.1250.camel@pelican>
2004-04-15 17:38                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 23:58                                                     ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16  1:16                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16  6:31                                                         ` [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16 14:38                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 15:16                                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:12                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 16:17                                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:39                                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  6:01                                                                     ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-17  6:25                                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  9:19                                                                       ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-16 21:53                                                             ` William Lovas
2004-04-17  2:30                                                               ` skaller
2004-04-17  5:47                                                               ` Blair Zajac
2004-04-17  6:28                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 14:52                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 16:06                                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 18:10                                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:43                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 19:55                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:46                                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-16 18:55                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 20:22                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 19:39                                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 21:00                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  9:47                                           ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Markus Mottl
2004-04-15 16:38                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16  1:30                                               ` Richard Cole
2004-04-16 14:11                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  1:25                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 12:19                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 18:21                                       ` [Caml-list] recompiling bytecode Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 18:54                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14 20:26                                           ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-14 20:35                                         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-15  1:39                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 13:03                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14 12:45                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 15:03                       ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Matt Gushee
2004-04-13 17:24                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-09  5:40             ` skaller
2004-04-08 15:30           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 16:08             ` Xavier Leroy
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 17:35               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09  6:41                 ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:44               ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-09  6:23               ` skaller
2004-04-09  6:33                 ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  7:37                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:17                     ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  8:35                     ` OT: licences (was Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-10 10:10                       ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:36                 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Markus Mottl
2004-04-10  9:59                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  9:09                 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 17:55               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09 13:44                 ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 15:31           ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 19:52             ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-25 23:07               ` [Caml-list] Is GCaml Dead Again? Greg K
2004-04-08 15:04         ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Fernando Alegre
2004-04-08 15:22         ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-09  6:44           ` Pierre Weis
2004-04-08 15:23         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 15:38           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 22:31             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 18:28           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-08 17:15         ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08 18:32           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-09  5:04         ` skaller
2004-04-08 17:25       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  7:10     ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-08 17:09       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-07 21:32 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 20:39   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-07 21:47     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 22:14     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-08  7:49     ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:11     ` Christophe TROESTLER
     [not found] ` <200404072306.15109.clement.capel@free.fr>
2004-04-07 23:25   ` clement capel
2004-04-13 21:25     ` [Caml-list] eval for OCaml Brock
2004-04-08  0:17 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 17:31 ` Walid Taha

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