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From: Richard Jones <rich@annexia.org>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Teaching OCaml
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:52:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040518085224.GA15477@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <69392398-A827-11D8-89DA-0003939A19AA@fas.harvard.edu>

On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 01:27:02PM -0400, Michael Hamburg wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> A few thoughts on the subject.
> 
> Iif you want practical features of OCaml, you could try the classic  
> "QuickSort in n lines" where n depends on how efficient you want to  
> make it, but you can still achieve O(n log n) in something like 4  
> lines.  It takes 10 or so to be efficient, compared to at least 50 in  
> C.  Of course, Haskell has even nicer syntax for this, but it looks  
> good in O'Caml too.

Sorry, but why is this a "practical" feature of OCaml?

Anyone who uses OCaml to sort things will use List.sort, unless they
have incredibly specialist sorting requirements, in which they
certainly won't be using a 4-line implementation of quicksort.

Frankly I don't care how List.sort is implemented, as long as it's (a)
reasonably fast, and (b) bug free.  It may be implemented in C for all
I know/care.

OCaml is a practical language for many good reasons:

(a) Garbage collection, type safety and other features which mean that
many bugs appear at compile time, not when your program has been deployed
at a customer site.

(b) Ability to construct and pattern-match against data structures
almost effortlessly.  Data-driven analysis programs like the sort of
stuff I write for work are a joy to code with these features.

(c) Speed - it's fast enough, and can be very fast when you need it to
be.  I can chew through datasets of hundreds of thousands of rows from
an Apache logfile in much less than a second.

Rich.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-18  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-17 11:28 Simão Melo de Sousa
2004-05-17 17:27 ` Michael Hamburg
2004-05-17 17:40   ` David Brown
2004-05-18  8:52   ` Richard Jones [this message]
2004-06-02 17:41     ` Holger Schulz
2004-05-17 21:12 ` Evan Martin
2004-06-02 12:43 ` Holger Schulz
2004-06-02 13:06   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-06-02 14:09     ` [Caml-list] Making plugins with ocaml Magnus Jonsson
     [not found] <16574.54515.560699.848619@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2004-06-03 14:27 ` [Caml-list] Teaching OCaml Brian Hurt
2014-11-25 16:03 [Caml-list] teaching OCaml robert.muller2
2014-11-25 16:33 ` John Whitington
     [not found]   ` <CAKmYinnv1arGZGQ2s0O7K2u=hr=oieiDXzR8YU_habM4+bUdJA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <5474C87D.4030307@coherentgraphics.co.uk>
2014-11-25 18:21       ` John Whitington
2014-11-26 14:26         ` Drup
2014-11-26 16:34         ` Xavier Leroy
2014-11-25 19:40 ` Daniel Bünzli
2014-11-26 11:37 ` Kenichi Asai
2014-11-26 18:12   ` Yaron Minsky
2014-11-26 22:09   ` Marek Kubica
2014-11-26 12:16 ` Jonathan Kimmitt
2014-12-16 19:17   ` Jon Harrop
2014-11-25 16:43 Arthur Charguéraud
2014-11-25 17:27 ` Alain Frisch
2014-11-25 17:33   ` Arthur Charguéraud

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