[Caml-list] cdk

[Caml-list] cdk

[Oliver Bandel]

Hello,

while looking for OCaml program-ressources/libraries,
I found a pdf, describing "cdk".
I have not found the cdk via links on the OCaml-Homepage,
but via google directly to this pdf.

Is the cdk (OCaml development kit) a "planned for the future"
and it was an accident, to find it via google?
The date of the dfocument was very new (MAy 2001)
and it seems to be not ready (Preface without text).

When will it be official available? (Or ist now?)

It looks very interesting; such a big library seems
to give massive power for the OCaml-programmer.

Is this (cdk) the end of Perl? ;-)

Ciao,
   Oliver

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Ian Zimmerman]

Oliver> Is the cdk (OCaml development kit) a "planned for the future"
Oliver> and it was an accident, to find it via google?  The date of
Oliver> the dfocument was very new (MAy 2001) and it seems to be not
Oliver> ready (Preface without text).

Oliver> When will it be official available? (Or ist now?)

AFAIK it is available as beta now, but I don't use it.

Oliver> It looks very interesting; such a big library seems to give
Oliver> massive power for the OCaml-programmer.

Note that the cdk doesn't offer any new libraries; it is merely a
compilation of existing libraries and tools in a single package, the
kind that seems to make business folks happy.

Oliver> Is this (cdk) the end of Perl? ;-)

Maybe, but not for technical reasons; there have been hardly any
technical reasons to use Perl for a long time, if only because of
Python.  Rather, it is for social reasons - see above.

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Oliver Bandel]

On 23 Jul 2001, Ian Zimmerman wrote:

> 
> Oliver> Is the cdk (OCaml development kit) a "planned for the future"
> Oliver> and it was an accident, to find it via google?  The date of
> Oliver> the dfocument was very new (MAy 2001) and it seems to be not
> Oliver> ready (Preface without text).
> 
> Oliver> When will it be official available? (Or ist now?)
> 
> AFAIK it is available as beta now, but I don't use it.
> 
> Oliver> It looks very interesting; such a big library seems to give
> Oliver> massive power for the OCaml-programmer.
> 
> Note that the cdk doesn't offer any new libraries; it is merely a
> compilation of existing libraries and tools in a single package, the
> kind that seems to make business folks happy.

It makes OCaml-newbies (like me) happy too, because it's not so
easy to find a lot of libraries out there.
And why to reinvent the wheel?

What/where are the "original" libraries of the cdk-compilation?
As a person new to OCaml (and FPL in general) it's necessary
to see the whole at a glance.

> 
> Oliver> Is this (cdk) the end of Perl? ;-)
> 
> Maybe, but not for technical reasons; there have been hardly any
> technical reasons to use Perl for a long time, if only because of
> Python.  Rather, it is for social reasons - see above.

Hmhhh "shorter development cycles" (e.g. Perl vs. C)
is this a social reason?


Ciao,
   Oliver

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Sven]

On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:06:43AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
> 
> 
> On 23 Jul 2001, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Oliver> Is the cdk (OCaml development kit) a "planned for the future"
> > Oliver> and it was an accident, to find it via google?  The date of
> > Oliver> the dfocument was very new (MAy 2001) and it seems to be not
> > Oliver> ready (Preface without text).
> > 
> > Oliver> When will it be official available? (Or ist now?)
> > 
> > AFAIK it is available as beta now, but I don't use it.
> > 
> > Oliver> It looks very interesting; such a big library seems to give
> > Oliver> massive power for the OCaml-programmer.
> > 
> > Note that the cdk doesn't offer any new libraries; it is merely a
> > compilation of existing libraries and tools in a single package, the
> > kind that seems to make business folks happy.
> 
> It makes OCaml-newbies (like me) happy too, because it's not so
> easy to find a lot of libraries out there.
> And why to reinvent the wheel?

You could have tried the debian packages, not (yet) all of the cdk libraries 
packages have been packaged, but for the ones who have, you just need to do :

apt-get install library-name.

Friendly,

Sven Luther
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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[John Max Skaller]

> > Note that the cdk doesn't offer any new libraries; it is merely a
> > compilation of existing libraries and tools in a single package, the
> > kind that seems to make business folks happy.
> 
> It makes OCaml-newbies (like me) happy too, because it's not so
> easy to find a lot of libraries out there.
> And why to reinvent the wheel?

	It makes me happy too, because I can use it in products
I want to distribute, and people can download CDK and
get ocaml and all the libraries in one hit. That's important,
especially if it's only part of a larger toolset.

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[John Eikenberry]

Oliver Bandel wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> while looking for OCaml program-ressources/libraries,
> I found a pdf, describing "cdk".
> I have not found the cdk via links on the OCaml-Homepage,
> but via google directly to this pdf.
> 
> Is the cdk (OCaml development kit) a "planned for the future"
> and it was an accident, to find it via google?
> The date of the dfocument was very new (MAy 2001)
> and it seems to be not ready (Preface without text).
> 
> When will it be official available? (Or ist now?)

You can find the cdk at:

http://pauillac.inria.fr/cdk/

Downloadable as source and linux binary packages, or anonymous CVS.
 
> It looks very interesting; such a big library seems
> to give massive power for the OCaml-programmer.
> 
> Is this (cdk) the end of Perl? ;-)

Personally, I'm hoping for a C++ replacement...

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[John Max Skaller]

John Eikenberry wrote:

> > Is this (cdk) the end of Perl? ;-)
> 
> Personally, I'm hoping for a C++ replacement...

	What do you mean by 'hoping'?
What I mean is, can you describe what you're looking for
that Ocaml/CDK doesn't offer? [I'm curious about
your priorities]

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Vitaly Lugovsky]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, John Max Skaller wrote:

> John Eikenberry wrote:
>
> > > Is this (cdk) the end of Perl? ;-)
> >
> > Personally, I'm hoping for a C++ replacement...
>
> 	What do you mean by 'hoping'?
> What I mean is, can you describe what you're looking for
> that Ocaml/CDK doesn't offer? [I'm curious about
> your priorities]

 I think, all we need is a "standard" distribution with a lot
of libraries (including findlib. why it is not in cdk?), so any
user can download a new sources and simply do configure;make;make install
without reading long instructions and downloading a lots of libraries
from different places.

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Fabrice Le Fessant]

I'm working on integrating findlib in the CDK. This is almost
done. But we have already another tool, called cdk_config, which does
almost exactly the same job. 

- Fabrice

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Fabrice Le Fessant]

The CDK is still under development. We are currently looking for good
solutions for different problems, such as finding an easy way to
integrate new library releases, and choosing a good documentation
format. A new release will be available soon, using the future Ocaml
3.02.

The CDK is not only gathering a set of external Ocaml libraries. It
also provides a set of new modules with widely used functions, which
have not yet been integrated into Ocaml standard distribution
(string_of_file, Http_server, etc ...)

- Fabrice
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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Krishnaswami, Neel]

John Max Skaller [mailto:skaller@maxtal.com.au] wrote:
> 
> > > Note that the cdk doesn't offer any new libraries; it is merely a
> > > compilation of existing libraries and tools in a single 
> > > package, the kind that seems to make business folks happy.
> > 
> > It makes OCaml-newbies (like me) happy too, because it's not so
> > easy to find a lot of libraries out there.
> > And why to reinvent the wheel?
> 
> It makes me happy too, because I can use it in products
> I want to distribute, and people can download CDK and
> get ocaml and all the libraries in one hit. That's important,
> especially if it's only part of a larger toolset.

How does one contribute to the CDK? I have a couple of packages
that I'd like to make available (including one miraculously 
simple implementation of balanced binary trees[*]), and I'm 
curious what to email where and how I should document it.


[*] Randomized treaps. This is the only balanced tree structure 
I've seen for which I can remember how to write a deletion function 
off the top of my head, without any complex case analysis. 

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[David Mentre]

"Krishnaswami, Neel" <neelk@cswcasa.com> writes:

> How does one contribute to the CDK?

Look at: http://pauillac.inria.fr/cdk/

There are author names and mailing list addresses on this page. However,
they won't reply to you in the following few days as they are busy with
the ICFP 01 prog contest: they are discussing in the corridor next to
me. ;)

d.
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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Fabrice Le Fessant]

If you want to add a package to the CDK, just send me a mail with an
URL to your packages (or attachments). There is not yet any web page
describing how to create packages for the CDK, but we are working on
it. I will modify your packages to compile in the CDK env.

Best Regards,

- Fabrice

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[Caml-list] cdk

[adc]

Hello,
  Could anyone tell me the status of the Caml Development Kit?
The on-line documentation linked at
http://pauillac.inria.fr/cdk/newdoc/htmlman/cdk_toc.html
linked to from ocaml.org seems to have been last updated in 2001.
Looking at the mailing list archives it seems to be mostly spam since around the middle of 2002.

Allan

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Maxence Guesdon]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:56:05 +0100
adc <allan@uklinux.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>   Could anyone tell me the status of the Caml Development Kit?
> The on-line documentation linked at
> http://pauillac.inria.fr/cdk/newdoc/htmlman/cdk_toc.html
> linked to from ocaml.org seems to have been last updated in 2001.
> Looking at the mailing list archives it seems to be mostly spam since around the middle of 2002.

There is no more cdk support, by now:
http://caml.inria.fr/archives/200207/msg00459.html

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[Alan Schmitt]

* adc (allan@uklinux.net) wrote:
> Hello,
>   Could anyone tell me the status of the Caml Development Kit?

The cdk is dead. It was a failed experiment trying both to extend the 
libraries shipped with OCaml (now the extlib project seems to do this) 
and to solve the packaging / dependency problem (we proved empirically 
that a monolithic approach does not work ;-)

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Re: [Caml-list] cdk

[adc]

I see, thank you for the reply, I guess I should have searched the archives more.

Allan

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