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From: Marta Bunge <martabunge@hotmail.com>
To: <david.roberts@adelaide.edu.au>, <joyal.andre@uqam.ca>
Cc: <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: RE: stacks (was: size_question_encore)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:32:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1QgISL-00077K-9i@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1310362598.4e1a8be6a7800@webmail.adelaide.edu.au>

Dear David,

 

 

 

Whatever is published in categories is
of public domain so anyone can intervene. You have nothing to apologize for.

 

 

 

I am not acquainted with recent work of
Dorette Pronk, but I read her 1995 Utrecht thesis in detail since I was asked
to do so by her advisor. In it, she refers to my paper (Marta Bunge, "An
application of descent to a classification theorem for toposes" , Math.
Proc. Camb. Phil. Soc. 107 (1990) 59-79), where I prove, in Corollary 5.4 to
the main Theorem 5.1, the following, which is, oin the case of groupoids, what
you call the third way. It says that, if W is the class of isomorphisms classes
of weak equivalences of etale complete groupoids (ECG), then W admits a
calculus of right fractions, and the functor B from Gpd to Top induces an
equivalence ECG[W-1] \iso [Top], where [Top} denotes the category of
Grotehndieck toposes (over a base S not necessarily Sets) and isomorphism
classes of geometric morphisms. So, the purpose of the third way, in my  view,
is to prove classification theorems. However, I am not au courant of more
recent developments.

 

 

 

As for the other two approaches I
mentioned in my correspondence with Andre Joyal, their equivalence is not  that
obvious. In the 1-dimensional case, this is done in Bunge-Pare (1979)
Proposition 2.7, and in the 2-dimensional case it is done in Bunge-Hermida
(2010) Theorem 4-9.

 

 

 

Concerning size matters, let me observe
that my construction of the stack completion (Bunge, Cahiers 1979) is
meaningful regardless of size questions, that is, for any base topos S.  The
outcome, however, of applying it to an internal category need no longer  be
internal. For this reason I introduce an "axiom of stack completions"
which guarantees that stack completions of internal categories be again
internal,and which is satisfied by any S a Grothehdieck topos. The question of
stating such an axiom as an additional axiom to the ones for elementary toposes
was proposed as a problem by Lawvere in his Montreal lectures in 1974. 

 

 

 

Good luck with your projects.

Marta



> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:06:38 +0930
> From: david.roberts@adelaide.edu.au
> To: joyal.andre@uqam.ca; martabunge@hotmail.com
> CC: categories@mta.ca
> Subject: stacks (was: size_question_encore)
> 
> Dear Marta, André, and others,
> 
> this is perhaps a bit cheeky, because I am writing this in reply to Marta's
> email to André, quoted below. To me it almost feels like reading anothers' mail;
> please forgive the stretch of etiquette.
> 
> ---
> 
> Marta raised an interesting point that stacks can be described in (at least) two
> ways: via a model structure and via descent. The former implicitly (in the case
> of topoi: take all epis) or explicitly needs a pretopology on the base category
> in question. This is to express the notion of essential surjectivity.
> 
> However, I would advertise a third way, and that is to localise the (or a!)
> 2-category of categories internal to the base directly, rather than using a
> model category, which is a tool (among other things) to localise the 1-category
> of internal categories. Dorette Pronk proved a few special cases of this in her
> 1996 paper discussing bicategorical localisations, namely algebraic,
> differentiable and topological stacks, all of a fixed sort.
> 
> By this I mean she took a static definition of said stacks, rather than  working
> with a variable notion of cover, as one finds, for example in algebraic
> geometry: Artin stacks, Deligne-Mumford stacks, orbifolds etc, or as in Behrang
> Noohi's 'Foundations of topological stacks', where one can have a variable class
> of 'local fibrations', which control the behaviour of the fibres of
> source/target maps of a presenting groupoid.
> 
> With enough structure on the base site (say, existence and stability under
> pullback of reflexive coequalisers), then one can define (in roughly historical
> order, as far as I know):
> 
> representable internal distributors/profunctors
> = meriedric morphisms (generalising Pradines)
> = Hilsum-Skandalis morphisms
> = (internal) saturated anafunctors
> = (incorrectly) Morita morphisms
> = right principal bibundles/bitorsors
> 
> and then (it is at morally true that) the 2-category of stacks of groupoids is
> equivalent to the bicategory with objects internal groupoids and 1-arrows  the
> above maps (which have gathered an interesting collection of names), both of
> which are a localisation of the same 2-category at the 'weak equivalences'.
> 
> Without existence of reflexive coequalisers (say for example when working  in
> type-theoretic foundations), then one can consider ordinary (as opposed  to
> saturated) anafunctors. Whether these also present the 2-category of stacks is a
> (currently stalled!) project of mine. The question is a vast generalisation of
> this: without the 'clutching' construction associating to a Cech cocyle a  actual
> principal bundle, is a stack really a stack of bundles, or a stack of
> cocycles/descent data.
> 
> The link to the other two approaches mentioned by Marta is not too obscure: the
> class of weak equivalences in the 2-categorical and 1-categorical approaches are
> the same, and if one has enough projectives (of the appropriate variety), then
> an internal groupoid A (say) with object of objects projective satisfies
> 
> Gpd(S)(A,B) ~~> Gpd_W(S)(A,B)
> 
> for all other objects B, and where Gpd_W(S) denotes the 2-categorical
> localisation of Gpd(S) at W.
> 
> One more point: Marta mentioned the need to have a generating family. While in
> the above approach one keeps the same objects (the internal
> categories/groupoids), there is a need to have a handle on the size of the
> hom-categories, to keep local smallness. One achieves this by demanding  that for
> every object of the base site there is a *set* of covers for that object cofinal
> in all covers for that object. Then the hom-categories for the localised
> 2-category are essentially small.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> David
> 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-07-11 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-10 13:30 size_question_encore André Joyal
2011-07-11  5:36 ` stacks (was: size_question_encore) David Roberts
     [not found] ` <1310362598.4e1a8be6a7800@webmail.adelaide.edu.au>
2011-07-11 12:32   ` Marta Bunge [this message]
2011-07-12  1:20     ` Michael Shulman
     [not found] <CAOvivQyUb8LfzWP-+ecki2WV2Fq8_qm-vCA0GNiu_nkC31nF-w@mail.gmail.com>
2011-07-12 12:30 ` Marta Bunge
2011-07-12 14:33   ` Michael Shulman
     [not found] ` <SNT101-W529E9B5A38EF9C90E0B787DF440@phx.gbl>
2011-07-12 18:45   ` Michael Shulman
     [not found] ` <SNT101-W50F2D8CAE24ED9DBB14F95DF440@phx.gbl>
2011-07-13  2:24   ` Michael Shulman
     [not found]   ` <16988_1310523866_4E1D01DA_16988_150_1_CAOvivQw6wf9CV0bwd0SbOJ=_5umAcXhTGwVJbMp0tV3oHXk+SQ@mail.gmail.com>
2011-07-13  9:16     ` Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <SNT101-W37B84477F7D0AC1746F41CDF470@phx.gbl>
2011-07-15  6:51   ` Michael Shulman
2011-07-12 14:56 Marta Bunge
2011-07-12 15:04 André Joyal
2011-07-12 19:12 ` Eduardo Dubuc
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1107141113440.7062@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2011-07-15 19:01     ` Eduardo Dubuc
2011-07-12 19:56 Marta Bunge
2011-07-15 10:27 Marta Bunge

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