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From: "Jean Bénabou" <jean.benabou@wanadoo.fr>
To: Thomas Streicher <streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
Cc: Categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Terminology
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 05:49:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1UWZsC-0006uE-GQ@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130427130857.GC16801@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>

Dear Thomas, Dear all,

My definition of poset is: "preordered set". I don't know if there is a general agreement, since some answers seemed to suppose that I meant "partially ordered set". It is because I feared this confusion that i specified by adding: equivalent to a discrete category. 
Of course I knew that they were "equivalence relations", and had also many other simple characterizations. One which I like and need is: X is equivalent to a discrete category iff the functor X --> 1 is faithful  and conservative (i.e. reflects isos) because it has the following generalization:

Let P: X --> S be a prefibration. The following are equivalent:
(i) P is equivalent to a discrete fibration.
(ii) P is faithful and consevative.
(iii) each fiber of P is equivalent to a discrete category.

Thus my question  was not:  what are such categories, for which I knew perfectly many answers, but : is there a well established name for them? 
Suggestions such as "setoids" or "essentially discrete" show that this is not the case.

I don't like very much "setoids", and I am very tempted by "essentially discrete" as Thomas suggested. 
But I shall make my question a bit more difficult. 
What would you call a category X such that the functor X --> 1 is full and faithful? Please don't tell me what they are, I  know that. I'm not even asking if there is a we'll established name for them. I don't think there is one. What I ask is: Could you suggest one? Preferably a name which would be suitable when we work with categories internal to a Topos E where supports don't split.

As a side remark, let me say that I don't care very much for the distinction between "evil" and "non evil". Apart  from obvious moral or philosophical reasons, for the following purely mathematical one: Non-evilness depends on the notion of equivalence of categories. And this in turn may heavily depend on which notion of equivalence you chose. And some of these notions depend on the axiom of choice, which I might be tempted to call "evil". Thus we'd reach the following conclusion: 
Non evil is essentially evil. 
I rather like this conclusion, don't you?

Best regards,
Jean

Le 27 avr. 2013 à 15:08, Thomas Streicher a écrit :

> Dear Jean,
> 
a
> 
>> As many of you I presume, I have for ages, and very often, had to deal with categories which are both groupoïds and posets, or again which are equivalent to a discrete category. Is there a well established name for them?
> 
> What about "essentially discrete" like in "essentially small" or
> "essentially surjective". Generally, for any property P of categories
> I would say a category is "essentially P" if it is equivalent to a
> category with property P.
> So "essentially" is a kind of magic word transforming "evil" properties
> into "non-evil" ones. (I don't think one should always do this!)
> 
> Thomas



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-28  3:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-24 17:13 Terminology Jean Bénabou
2013-04-24 23:04 ` Terminology David Roberts
2013-04-27 13:08 ` Terminology Thomas Streicher
     [not found] ` <20130427130857.GC16801@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
2013-04-28  3:49   ` Jean Bénabou [this message]
2013-04-28 22:47     ` Terminology Olivier Gerard
     [not found] ` <557435A6-4568-4012-8C63-E031931F41FB@wanadoo.fr>
2013-04-28 14:17   ` Terminology Thomas Streicher
2013-04-29 20:05     ` Terminology Toby Bartels
2013-04-30  0:58       ` Terminology Peter May
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-02-11 20:42 Terminology Fred E.J. Linton
2017-02-14  8:48 ` Terminology Steve Vickers
     [not found] ` <02568D97-0A72-4CA8-8900-BDE11E890890@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2017-02-14  9:39   ` Terminology Jean Benabou
2017-02-09 22:03 Terminology Andrée Ehresmann
2017-02-08  8:03 Terminology Jean Benabou
2017-02-08 16:34 ` Terminology Jirí Adámek
2017-02-10  1:42   ` Terminology George Janelidze
2017-02-08 21:40 ` Terminology Carsten Führmann
2017-02-09 11:31 ` Terminology Thomas Streicher
     [not found] ` <20170208180636.18346065.28939.42961@rbccm.com>
2017-02-09 16:38   ` Terminology Jean Benabou
2017-02-11 15:07     ` Terminology Steve Vickers
2013-05-02  3:57 Terminology Fred E.J. Linton
2013-05-02  3:57 Terminology Fred E.J. Linton
2013-05-03 11:53 ` Terminology Robert Dawson
2013-04-30  1:20 Terminology Fred E.J. Linton
2010-09-29  2:03 terminology Todd Trimble
2010-09-28  4:38 terminology Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-05-27 18:31 terminology Colin McLarty
2010-05-19 10:38 Re terminology: Ronnie Brown
2010-05-20  7:58 ` soloviev
2010-05-20 19:53   ` terminology Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found] ` <AANLkTikre9x4Qikw0mqOl1qZs9DDSkcBu3CXWA05OTQT@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-21 17:00   ` Re terminology: Ronnie Brown
     [not found]     ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5827@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-05-22 21:43       ` terminology Ronnie Brown
     [not found]       ` <4BF84FF3.7060806@btinternet.com>
2010-05-22 22:44         ` terminology Joyal, André
2010-05-23 15:39           ` terminology Colin McLarty
2010-05-24 18:04             ` terminology Vaughan Pratt
2010-05-26  3:08               ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-05-25 14:08             ` terminology John Baez
2010-05-26  8:03             ` terminology Reinhard Boerger
2010-05-25 19:39 ` terminology Colin McLarty
2010-05-29 21:47   ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-05-30 19:15     ` terminology Thorsten Altenkirch
     [not found]     ` <A46C7965-B4E7-42E6-AE97-6C1D930AC878@cs.nott.ac.uk>
2010-05-30 20:51       ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-06-01  7:39         ` terminology Thorsten Altenkirch
2010-06-01 13:33           ` terminology Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
     [not found]         ` <7BF50141-7775-4D3C-A4AF-D543891666B9@cs.nott.ac.uk>
2010-06-01 18:22           ` terminology Toby Bartels
     [not found] ` <AANLkTilG69hcX7ZV8zrLpQ_nf1pCmyktsnuE0RyJtQYF@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-26  8:28   ` terminology John Baez
2010-05-16 12:44 terminology Peter Selinger
2010-05-13 17:17 bilax_monoidal_functors Michael Shulman
2010-05-14 14:43 ` terminology (was: bilax_monoidal_functors) Peter Selinger
2010-05-15 19:52   ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-05-08  3:27 RE : bilax monoidal functors John Baez
2010-05-10 18:16 ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= John Baez
2010-05-11  8:28   ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Michael Batanin
2010-05-12  3:02     ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Toby Bartels
2010-05-13 23:09       ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Michael Batanin
2010-05-15 16:05         ` terminology Joyal, André
2007-01-27 17:06 terminology wlawvere
2007-01-26 23:30 terminology Eduardo Dubuc
2005-12-30  1:16 terminology vs27
2005-12-29 19:09 terminology Nikita Danilov
2005-12-10  3:51 Terminology jean benabou
2005-12-21 20:04 ` Terminology Eduardo Dubuc
2005-12-26 19:47   ` terminology Vaughan Pratt
2005-12-29 23:17     ` terminology Eduardo Dubuc
2006-01-04 14:59       ` terminology Eduardo Dubuc
2003-10-17 15:19 terminology Marco Grandis
2003-10-16 21:39 terminology James Stasheff
2001-04-09 11:06 Terminology Krzysztof Worytkiewicz
2000-12-14  6:17 Terminology Max Kelly
     [not found] <3a35cdd73a39f901@amyris.wanadoo.fr>
2000-12-13 11:10 ` Terminology Dr. P.T. Johnstone
2000-12-13  1:17 Terminology Steve Lack
2000-12-12  8:19 Terminology Jean Benabou
2000-01-28 12:02 terminology James Stasheff
2000-01-28  9:57 terminology Marco Grandis
2000-01-27 19:28 terminology James Stasheff
2000-01-27 21:04 ` terminology Paul Glenn

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