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From: "Jon Sterling" <jon@jonmsterling.com>
To: "Thomas Streicher" <streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>,
	"Christian Sattler" <sattler.christian@gmail.com>
Cc: "Richard Garner" <richard.garner@mq.edu.au>,
	"David Roberts" <droberts.65537@gmail.com>,
	"categories@mq.edu.au" <categories@mq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Fibrewise opposite fibration
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 09:43:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d767a725-8c2b-46ac-8575-a77e3abe607e@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5aca1a1590406e68498c51bb858d89b5.squirrel@webmail.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>

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Hi Thomas et al,

I believe the proposed non-quotiented construction works even with a cleaving that is not split. Does anyone know if this is true? (I thought I had checked this a while ago, but now I cannot find my notes and am less confident; however, it is claimed by Von Glehn in Example 3.9 here: http://www.tac.mta.ca/tac/volumes/33/36/33-36.pdf<https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/bbuoCwV1jpS1nNELuq9eMh?domain=tac.mta.ca>.) Glancing at it briefly, it looks rather like the identity and associativity laws follow from the higher identities governing associators and unitors in a pseudofunctor.

I agree it is inelegant to assume a splitting, but I think it is rather elegant to assume a (non-split) cleaving as property-like structure (so we do not ask that it be preserved) — Indeed, this is precisely what you get from the Chevalley criterion for fibrations in a 2-category. I think this is analogous to the way that in an internal setting we must assume chosen structures but not typically ask to preserve the choices; when we do not wish to assume chosen structures at all, we can either pass to stacks or work in a univalent / fully saturated setting.

Best,
Jon


On Wed, Jan 31, 2024, at 11:41 PM, streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de wrote:
> If we work with split fibrations and arbitrary cartesian functors between
> them we can construct the opposite of a fibration without quotienting.
> That is possible but in my eyes less elegant than the usual approach where
> one assumes that one can factorize modulo equivalence relations even if
> they are big.
>
> Thomas


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-01 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-28  0:51 David Roberts
2024-01-28 11:54 ` Jon Sterling
2024-01-28 20:03   ` Thomas Streicher
2024-01-30  6:42     ` David Roberts
2024-01-31  0:35       ` Richard Garner
2024-01-31 19:31         ` Christian Sattler
2024-01-31 23:41           ` streicher
2024-02-01  4:48             ` Martin Bidlingmaier
2024-02-01  9:43             ` Jon Sterling [this message]
2024-02-01 11:06               ` Thomas Streicher
2024-02-01 11:18                 ` Jon Sterling
2024-02-01 11:46                   ` Thomas Streicher
     [not found]                     ` <ZbuFZoT9b9K8o7zi@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
2024-02-02 10:11                       ` Thomas Streicher
2024-02-01 11:26                 ` Christian Sattler
2024-02-09  0:02 ` Dusko Pavlovic
2024-02-09  1:48   ` Michael Barr, Prof.
2024-02-09 19:55     ` Dusko Pavlovic
2024-02-10  6:28       ` David Roberts
2024-02-10  8:42         ` Jon Sterling
2024-02-09 11:25   ` Fibrewise opposite fibration + computers Sergei Soloviev
2024-02-09 20:25     ` Dusko Pavlovic
2024-02-12 13:20   ` Fibrewise opposite fibration Nath Rao
2024-02-13  8:16     ` Jon Sterling
2024-02-13 10:04       ` Thomas Streicher
2024-02-13 10:56         ` Jon Sterling
2024-02-13 11:38           ` Thomas Streicher
2024-02-13 11:53             ` Jon Sterling
2024-02-13 12:18               ` Thomas Streicher
2024-02-13 16:35                 ` Thomas Streicher
2024-02-23  1:50                   ` Dusko Pavlovic
2024-02-23  1:52                     ` Dusko Pavlovic
2024-02-23  1:42     ` Dusko Pavlovic
2024-02-26  7:31       ` Dusko Pavlovic

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