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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: nliber@gmail.com
Cc: coff@tuhs.org
Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] On Bloat and the Idea of Small Specialized Tools
Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 15:24:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2OgB5pzzdXQy_+DgbYa5erx3cm-7X1GjwBZEGFLXT8g-Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGg_6+Ov6hYTxQ5M-hEBoOiUQ0UVRP0V+aVi0STKAALLDUGY7g@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 7:23 PM Nevin Liber <nliber@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 11:37 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
>> The key is that not all "bloat" is the same (really)—or maybe one
>> person's bloat is another person's preference.
>>
>
> A lot of "bloat" comes because our systems really aren't focused on
> "discoverability".
>
> While I probably have used "pr" in the past, I've totally forgotten, the
> name "pr" doesn't really help me understand what it is for, and it's just
> one of 982 files in my /usr/bin directory alone.  How does one discover it?
>
Chapter 1, Page 15 of Kernigahan and Pike -- "The Unix Programming
Environment"

It's still the best book for learning, regardless if Linux is your
preferred UNIX implementation.


>
> It's like using "sed" instead of "head": sure, if you already know "sed",
> you don't need "head", but for English speaking folks who know "tail" is
> there, it would be (and was in the old days) surprising and frustrating not
> to have "head".
>
Hmmm..  date on 1BSD tape for head is Nov 23, 1977.  It's been around since
the Sixth Edition.
And again - this is my observation - some tools are easier to use, and the
head is easier than a sed script.  One can argue a shell script that exec's
sed for you would have been sufficient to Joy's program.
However, in wnj's defense, he wrote it for sed was not part of the Sixth
Edition.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-11 19:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-10 16:36 [COFF] " Clem Cole
2024-05-10 23:02 ` [COFF] Re: [TUHS] " Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-05-11  9:18   ` [COFF] " Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-11 21:18     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-05-11 21:33       ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-10 23:22 ` [COFF] Re: [TUHS] " Nevin Liber
2024-05-11  9:31   ` [COFF] " Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-11 12:51   ` [COFF] Re: [TUHS] " John P. Linderman
2024-05-11 13:12   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 14:41     ` Bakul Shah via COFF
2024-05-11 15:45     ` Grant Taylor via COFF
2024-05-11 17:18       ` [COFF] " Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-11 21:35     ` [COFF] Re: [TUHS] " Theodore Ts'o
2024-05-12  7:13       ` Gergely Buday
2024-05-12  7:29       ` [COFF] " Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-12 22:23         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-05-11 19:24   ` Clem Cole [this message]
2024-05-13  6:20   ` Arno Griffioen via COFF

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