HELP PLEASE ! How to fetch mails from HOTMAIL.COM with GNUS/webmail & W3 ?

HELP PLEASE ! How to fetch mails from HOTMAIL.COM with GNUS/webmail & W3 ?

[Michael Huehne]

Hello Gnus Team and Users,

EXCUSES:----------------------

Please excuse me, when I am sending this mail to the wrong group.
I am uncertain if webmail.el's Hotmail reading capabilities are broken,
or I am to stupid to configure it correctly.



THANKS:-------------------------

Since many years I am using Gnus as the best portable mail and new client 
I can imagine.
Reading MS-Exchange Mails would be paramount ... :-)



THE PROBLEM:---------------------

However, I am suffering from a serious problem. Microsoft's Hotmail design 
team tends to change their layout once in a while. After the last change a 
couple of months ago Gnus-5.8.8 and w3-4.0pre.46 with one-line-cookie patch 
applied stopped working for me. Before, it worked like a charm, now hotmail 
is running full and over 100 mails waiting to be uploaded.

I was hoping that w3-4.0pre.47 and the latest Oort-Gnus-v0.04 CVS snap shop 
from yesterday might cure my pain. But no improvement, the same message as 
before occured.

In worse case: Any other way / tip (even tricky) to do one final mail merge 
between GNUS and HOTMAIL would be appreciated. How can point me to a 
possible solution ?



GNUS ERROR MESSAGE:------------------------

Mail source error ((error hotmail HTML has changed or your w3 package is 
too old.(list@0))).




GNUS.EL CODE SNIPLET:-----------------

(when (string-match "localhost"
                     (system-name))
   (message "Open WEBMAIL Mailboxes at WWW.HOTMAIL.COM with w3.el")
   (require (quote webmail))
   (setq webmail-error-function (quote webmail-debug) ; nil or (quote 
webmail-debug)
         webmail-debug-file (expand-file-name "~/.xemacs-webmail-debug")
         webmail-newmail-only nil ; "Not only fetching new mails."
         webmail-move-to-trash-can t ; "Move mail to trash can after 
fetching it."
         url-cookie-multiple-line nil; "One-line-cookie patch for 
w3/url-coolie.el applied."
         )

   (add-to-list 'micha-remote-mail-sources
                '(webmail  :subtype 'hotmail
                           :user "account"
                           :password "p@ssword"
                           :dontexpunge t
                          ))
)


MY HW/OS:-------------------------

Mac PPC/G4 with Xemacs-21.4.4, using X11R6 interface on MacOsX 10.1.1

--
Cheers,
   Michael
     +66 98 93 92 74
       mHuehne@Mac.Com

Re: HELP PLEASE ! How to fetch mails from HOTMAIL.COM with GNUS/webmail & W3 ?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Michael Huehne <mhuehne@mac.com> writes:

> Hello Gnus Team and Users,
>
> EXCUSES:----------------------
>
> Please excuse me, when I am sending this mail to the wrong group.
> I am uncertain if webmail.el's Hotmail reading capabilities are broken,
> or I am to stupid to configure it correctly.

It is broken, partially because webmail.el cannot login MS passport.
Currently, I have no idea how to get through it.

[...]

> In worse case: Any other way / tip (even tricky) to do one final mail
> merge between GNUS and HOTMAIL would be appreciated. How can point me
> to a possible solution ?

A possible solution is to use Outlook Express to fetch mails from
Hotmail, then read those folders with nndoc, or convert the dbx format
to mbox format with ol2mbox or dbx2mbx.

    http://mbx2mbox.sourceforge.net/
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox 

OE uses an unknown protocol to talk with Hotmail. If someone can
decode that, that would be a better solution.

ShengHuo

Re: HELP PLEASE ! How to fetch mails from HOTMAIL.COM with GNUS/webmail & W3 ?

[David Aspinwall]

>>"ZSH" == ShengHuo ZHU <zsh@cs.rochester.edu> writes:

> A possible solution is to use Outlook Express to fetch mails from
> Hotmail, then read those folders with nndoc, or convert the dbx format
> to mbox format with ol2mbox or dbx2mbx.

>     http://mbx2mbox.sourceforge.net/
>     http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox 

> OE uses an unknown protocol to talk with Hotmail. If someone can
> decode that, that would be a better solution.

There's a perl script called 'gotmail' which fetches mail from hotmail
and forwards it to another address.

You can get it from <URL: http://www.hawkins.emu.id.au/gotmail/>.

Re: HELP PLEASE ! How to fetch mails from HOTMAIL.COM with GNUS/webmail & W3 ?

[Michael Huehne]

Dear ShengHuo,

This is a clear statement and I am the last person to blame you for 
Microsoft's preferences for properitary  protocols.

Would you mind to remove the hotmail part from webmail.el or put a hint 
into the source?
May I suggest a slightly clearer comment like (message "Sorry, hotmail is 
currently not working and we see no bug fix yet 12/13/2001") ? This would 
have been for me more helpful than
((error hotmail HTML has changed or your w3 package is too old.(list@0))).
Which let me hope and wait, since one option was to for a new W3.
What I did ... without success.

Now I am in good mood and will try the suggested alternatives.
Many thanks for these hints !-)

Cheers,

Michael


On Thursday, December 13, 2001, at 12:30 , ShengHuo ZHU wrote:

> Michael Huehne <mhuehne@mac.com> writes:
>
>> Hello Gnus Team and Users,
>>
>> EXCUSES:----------------------
>>
>> Please excuse me, when I am sending this mail to the wrong group.
>> I am uncertain if webmail.el's Hotmail reading capabilities are broken,
>> or I am to stupid to configure it correctly.
>
> It is broken, partially because webmail.el cannot login MS passport.
> Currently, I have no idea how to get through it.
>
> [...]
>
>> In worse case: Any other way / tip (even tricky) to do one final mail
>> merge between GNUS and HOTMAIL would be appreciated. How can point me
>> to a possible solution ?
>
> A possible solution is to use Outlook Express to fetch mails from
> Hotmail, then read those folders with nndoc, or convert the dbx format
> to mbox format with ol2mbox or dbx2mbx.
>
>     http://mbx2mbox.sourceforge.net/
>     http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox
>
> OE uses an unknown protocol to talk with Hotmail. If someone can
> decode that, that would be a better solution.
>
> ShengHuo