* utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
@ 2003-03-03 16:55 Christoph Conrad
2003-03-03 17:18 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Christoph Conrad @ 2003-03-03 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Oliver Scholz
Hi,
Oliver Scholz has helped me using utf-8 for displaying / writing utf-8
mails. For several reasons i want to be able (a) to override the utf-8
default to something like iso-latin-9, e.g. when writing to people
using older mailclients. On the other side i want to (b) have
iso-latin-9 as standard encoding for files, not! utf-8.
I achieved (b) with
,----[ .emacs.el ]
| (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
| (setq default-buffer-file-coding-system
| (coding-system-change-eol-conversion
| 'iso-latin-9 ;; default-buffer-file-coding-system
| nil))
`----
Now: How do i achive (a)?
Beste Grüße,
cu, -cc-
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* Re: utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
2003-03-03 16:55 utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9 Christoph Conrad
@ 2003-03-03 17:18 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-03-03 17:21 ` Christoph Conrad
2003-03-03 17:54 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-03-03 20:20 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-03-03 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Christoph Conrad <christoph.conrad@gmx.de> writes:
> Oliver Scholz has helped me using utf-8 for displaying / writing utf-8
> mails. For several reasons i want to be able (a) to override the utf-8
> default to something like iso-latin-9, e.g. when writing to people
> using older mailclients. On the other side i want to (b) have
> iso-latin-9 as standard encoding for files, not! utf-8.
Why not just use the default behavior? I think the default behavior
is to use an iso-8859 encoding if possible, and only if that is not
possible, use utf-8. That appears to be a very sensible thing to do.
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* Re: utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
2003-03-03 17:18 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-03-03 17:21 ` Christoph Conrad
2003-03-03 20:18 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Christoph Conrad @ 2003-03-03 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Kai,
> I think the default behavior is to use an iso-8859 encoding if
> possible, and only if that is not possible, use utf-8. That
> appears to be a very sensible thing to do.
Sounds good - but for me the default seems to always use utf-8. Now i use:
,----
| ;; Preferred coding systems for encoding outgoing mails.
| (setq mm-coding-system-priorities '(iso-latin-9))
`----
How to achive YOUR solution? (sounds better for me).
Beste Grüße,
cu, -cc-
--
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
Pablo Picasso
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* Re: utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
2003-03-03 16:55 utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9 Christoph Conrad
2003-03-03 17:18 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-03-03 17:54 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-03-03 20:20 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2003-03-03 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Oliver Scholz
Christoph Conrad <christoph.conrad@gmx.de> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Oliver Scholz has helped me using utf-8 for displaying / writing utf-8
> mails. For several reasons i want to be able (a) to override the utf-8
> default to something like iso-latin-9, e.g. when writing to people
> using older mailclients. On the other side i want to (b) have
> iso-latin-9 as standard encoding for files, not! utf-8.
>
> I achieved (b) with
>
> ,----[ .emacs.el ]
> | (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
> | (setq default-buffer-file-coding-system
> | (coding-system-change-eol-conversion
> | 'iso-latin-9 ;; default-buffer-file-coding-system
> | nil))
> `----
>
> Now: How do i achive (a)?
Put <#part charset=iso-8859-9> before the text.
OTOH, you could try
'(mm-coding-system-priorities (quote (iso-latin-1 iso-latin-9)))
instead of all what you are doing now. Then you will compose in the
systems' locale but it will be downgraded to latin-1 if possible, or
latin-9 if possible. No need to specify things manually.
I believe that most europeans are happy with a rule that chosed ASCII
if possible, then the lowest X that makes ISO-8859-X work (which
includes eventually choosing ISO-8859-15 for euro signs), and finally
UTF-8. I run emacs in an UTF-8 locale and use the above setting, so I
get this algorithm.
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* Re: utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
2003-03-03 17:21 ` Christoph Conrad
@ 2003-03-03 20:18 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-03-03 21:54 ` Christoph Conrad
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-03-03 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Christoph Conrad <christoph.conrad@gmx.de> writes:
> Sounds good - but for me the default seems to always use utf-8.
Do you have a UTF-8 locale?
Do you have (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)?
Turn it off.
Maybe I should go back and reread your description how you got utf-8
in the first place...
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* Re: utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
2003-03-03 16:55 utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9 Christoph Conrad
2003-03-03 17:18 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-03-03 17:54 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2003-03-03 20:20 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-03-03 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
Christoph Conrad <christoph.conrad@gmx.de> writes:
> I achieved (b) with
>
> ,----[ .emacs.el ]
> | (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
> | (setq default-buffer-file-coding-system
> | (coding-system-change-eol-conversion
> | 'iso-latin-9 ;; default-buffer-file-coding-system
> | nil))
> `----
>
> Now: How do i achive (a)?
My suggestion for achieving the default behavior (use utf-8 only if
necessary) was to comment out the above statements from .emacs.
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* Re: utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
2003-03-03 20:18 ` Kai Großjohann
@ 2003-03-03 21:54 ` Christoph Conrad
2003-03-04 8:17 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Christoph Conrad @ 2003-03-03 21:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Oliver Scholz
Hi Kai,
> Do you have (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)?
> Turn it off.
Yes - that is it! Now utf-8 is used when an iso-encoding isn't
sufficient.
Beste Grüße,
cu, -cc-
--
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
Pablo Picasso
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* Re: utf-8 for decoding mails, but composing eeventually with iso-latin-9
2003-03-03 21:54 ` Christoph Conrad
@ 2003-03-04 8:17 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2003-03-04 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Christoph Conrad <christoph.conrad@gmx.de> writes:
> Hi Kai,
>
> > Do you have (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)?
> > Turn it off.
>
> Yes - that is it! Now utf-8 is used when an iso-encoding isn't
> sufficient.
Now you know why I didn't have to do anything :-)
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