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[Emanuel Berg]

In some high traffic groups it can be the
situation that you ask a question but the next
day you have 100+ new posts you don't care
about, and 2 answers, the next day 100+ posts
you don't care about and 0 answers, the day
after that 100+ posts you don't care about and
1 answer, etc.

And you never now when to
`gnus-group-unsubscribe-current-group' and drop
the whole matter as even a week after, there
can be an answer to your question. (Unless you
get a good answer, of course.)

So my question is, naturally, can I tell Gnus
to give the thread and/or subject special
treatment, so that it (Gnus) will automatically
bring it to your attention whenever there, and
if not be all quiet about it?

I know about scoring and how to use it
technically, but, if that is the answer, please
provide an example.

Will plain up-scoring really help as you must
wade thru the material anyway?

Or is there a shortcut to got to the high
score article?

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[Dave Marquardt]

Scoring should work here. You might also need to tell Gnus to sort the
articles in your *Summary* buffer by score.


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On Thu, Apr 18 2019, Emanuel Berg wrote:

In some high traffic groups it can be the
situation that you ask a question but the next
day you have 100+ new posts you don't care
about, and 2 answers, the next day 100+ posts
you don't care about and 0 answers, the day
after that 100+ posts you don't care about and
1 answer, etc.

And you never now when to
`gnus-group-unsubscribe-current-group' and drop
the whole matter as even a week after, there
can be an answer to your question. (Unless you
get a good answer, of course.)

So my question is, naturally, can I tell Gnus
to give the thread and/or subject special
treatment, so that it (Gnus) will automatically
bring it to your attention whenever there, and
if not be all quiet about it?

I know about scoring and how to use it
technically, but, if that is the answer, please
provide an example.

Will plain up-scoring really help as you must
wade thru the material anyway?

Or is there a shortcut to got to the high
score article?

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http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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[Tassilo Horn]

Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes:

> I know about scoring and how to use it
> technically, but, if that is the answer, please
> provide an example.

It is the answer!

;; Sort threads by total score, then by date of most recent article,
;; then by number.
(setq gnus-thread-sort-functions '(gnus-thread-sort-by-number
				   gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-date
				   gnus-thread-sort-by-total-score))

;; Score up followup articles
(add-hook 'message-sent-hook #'gnus-score-followup-article)

I also use adaptive scoring so that threads get their scores adapted
depending on if I've read messages from them.  If you want, you can
really get crazy with scoring.

> Will plain up-scoring really help as you must
> wade thru the material anyway?
> Or is there a shortcut to got to the high
> score article?
 
If you sort by score, you'll have the important stuff on top.

Bye,
Tassilo

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[Emanuel Berg]

Tassilo Horn wrote:

>> I know about scoring and how to use it
>> technically, but, if that is the answer,
>> please provide an example.
>
> It is the answer!
>
> ;; Sort threads by total score [...]

Thanks man, message saved, hope to try all
of this!

> If you want, you can really get crazy
> with scoring.

OK, only that won't work on me, unless you also
have some Elisp to make me sane first?

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[Eric S Fraga]

On Thursday, 25 Apr 2019 at 09:00, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Tassilo Horn wrote:
>> If you want, you can really get crazy
>> with scoring.
>
> OK, only that won't work on me, unless you also
> have some Elisp to make me sane first?

Most of the scoring customizations are done through gnus variables.  I
use scoring (both manual ad adaptive) a lot and have no specific elisp
code other than setq...

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[Emanuel Berg]

Eric S Fraga wrote:

>>> If you want, you can really get crazy
>>> with scoring.
>>
>> OK, only that won't work on me, unless you
>> also have some Elisp to make me sane first?
>
> Most of the scoring customizations are done
> through gnus variables. I use scoring (both
> manual ad adaptive) a lot and have no
> specific elisp code other than setq...

... :)

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[Eric S Fraga]

On Friday, 26 Apr 2019 at 00:41, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Eric S Fraga wrote:
>
>>>> If you want, you can really get crazy
>>>> with scoring.
>>>
>>> OK, only that won't work on me, unless you
>>> also have some Elisp to make me sane first?
>>
>> Most of the scoring customizations are done
>> through gnus variables. I use scoring (both
>> manual ad adaptive) a lot and have no
>> specific elisp code other than setq...
>
> ... :)

Okay:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
  (setq gnus-default-adaptive-score-alist
        '(;(gnus-kill-file-mark)
          ;;(gnus-unread-mark)
          ;; (gnus-read-mark (from 5) (subject 30))
          (gnus-replied-mark (from 50) (subject 10))
          (gnus-read-mark (from 30) (subject 10))
          (gnus-cached-mark (from 30) (subject 10))
          (gnus-forwarded-mark (from 10) (subject 5))
          (gnus-saved-mark (from 10) (subject 5))
          (gnus-expirable-mark (from -5) (subject -10))
          (gnus-catchup-mark (from -5) (subject -30))
          (gnus-killed-mark (subject -100))
          (gnus-del-mark (from -10) (subject -50)))
        gnus-default-adaptive-word-score-alist '((42 . 3) ;cached
                                                 (65 . 2) ;replied
                                                 (70 . 1) ;forwarded
                                                 (82 . 1) ;read
                                                 (67 . -1) ;catchup
                                                 (69 . -1) ;expired
                                                 (75 . -3) ;killed
                                                 (114 . -3)) ;deleted
        gnus-thread-sort-functions '(gnus-thread-sort-by-date gnus-thread-sort-by-total-score)
        gnus-use-adaptive-scoring '(word line)
        )
#+end_src

although default settings for all of the above are reasonable.
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[Emanuel Berg]

Eric S Fraga wrote:

>>>> OK, only that won't work on me, unless you
>>>> also have some Elisp to make me
>>>> sane first?
>>>
>>> Most of the scoring customizations are done
>>> through gnus variables. I use scoring (both
>>> manual ad adaptive) a lot and have no
>>> specific elisp code other than setq...
>>
>> ... :)
>
> Okay:
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp (setq
> gnus-default-adaptive-score-alist
> '(;(gnus-kill-file-mark) ;;(gnus-unread-mark)
> ;; (gnus-read-mark (from 5) (subject 30))
> (gnus-replied-mark (from 50) (subject 10))
> (gnus-read-mark (from 30) (subject 10))
> (gnus-cached-mark (from 30) (subject 10))
> (gnus-forwarded-mark (from 10) (subject 5))
> (gnus-saved-mark (from 10) (subject 5))
> (gnus-expirable-mark (from -5) (subject -10))
> (gnus-catchup-mark (from -5) (subject -30))
> (gnus-killed-mark (subject -100))
> (gnus-del-mark (from -10) (subject -50)))
> gnus-default-adaptive-word-score-alist '((42 .
> 3) ;cached (65 . 2) ;replied (70 . 1)
> ;forwarded (82 . 1) ;read (67 . -1) ;catchup
> (69 . -1) ;expired (75 . -3) ;killed (114 .
> -3)) ;deleted gnus-thread-sort-functions
> '(gnus-thread-sort-by-date
> gnus-thread-sort-by-total-score)
> gnus-use-adaptive-scoring '(word line) )
> #+end_src
>
> although default settings for all of the
> above are reasonable.

No, I meant that was a joke, some Elisp to make
me sane, well, still thanks for the yank, I'll
study it. I'm not sure what adaptive scoring
is, my scoring thus far sure has been
100% static, just downgrading completely out of
the picture the people who are the most
annoying, spamming, and/or provoking, and they
have been less than 10 in as many years of
Gmane/Useneting. I take it it (adaptive
scoring) is described in detail in the
Gnus manual.

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[Eric S Fraga]

On Friday, 26 Apr 2019 at 08:32, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> I take it it (adaptive scoring) is described in detail in the Gnus
> manual.

Yes, and the best bit is that adaptive and static scoring can work well
together.

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[Emanuel Berg]

Eric S Fraga wrote:

>> I take it it (adaptive scoring) is described
>> in detail in the Gnus manual.
>
> Yes, and the best bit is that adaptive and
> static scoring can work well together.

Good, that makes sense, like with everything
else. The best from both worlds.

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But advance too slowly, death catches up
with YOU!"

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