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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: gnus-cloud work (was: gnus-sync work)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:55:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r3by2sfd.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877fe0svto.fsf@lifelogs.com>

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 14:22:27 -0400 Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> wrote: 

TZ> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:27:35 -0700 Dave Abrahams <dave@boostpro.com> wrote: 
DA> I don't mean to be pushy, but realistically speaking, is there any
DA> chance this will happen in the next few weeks?  I am seriously thinking
DA> of moving most of my NNTP participation to GMail/IMAP just to avoid the
DA> sync issue.

TZ> I want to do it, but really want to know what Lars thinks because I know
TZ> he had started working on something similar already.

TZ> If not, this weekend I'll bang it out as a new gnus-sync.el backend (and
TZ> obsolete the old CouchDB one).

All right, after looking at gnus-cloud.el, I think I understand where
Lars was going. Unfortunately he hasn't touched that code in years so we
have to get going with what's there. In any case, it's better code than
gnus-sync.el, especially as far as internal glue is concerned, so
gnus-sync.el is going away.

gnus-cloud.el did:

* set up a mechanism where every server could be "cloud synced"
* have the concept of a "cloud host server+group"
* save sequences representing files or pure data to IMAP articles
* have ambitions to be Emacs-wide, so perhaps should move out of Gnus?

My changes now are in the Emacs Savannah repo in branch scratch/gnus-cloud:

* rename the cloud host group name to "Emacs-Cloud" so it works with GMail
* add `I' and `gnus-server-toggle-cloud-method-server' in the Server buffer to set an IMAP server as the cloud host and do an initial full upload
* show the cloud host distinctly visually
* remove gnus-sync.el
* a full upload works

To try it: switch to the scratch/gnus-cloud branch, go to the Server
buffer, and hit `I' or `M-x gnus-server-toggle-cloud-method-server'

Try this outside a server line: you'll get an error.
Try this on a non-IMAP server: you'll get an error.
Try this on an IMAP server: you should see `CLOUD-HOST' on it, and the
initial upload should run and complete successfully.

Still remaining:

* verify uploads
* download cloud data back
* when a server is selected as the CLOUD-HOST, maybe save that choice? but I'm not sure if the choice should be persisted in `gnus-cloud-method' or in the newsrc.eld.
* notice when the cloud data changes (maybe some IMAP magic can do it... but could just be done explicitly for now)
* use PGP instead of Base64+gzip (could be a choice... but I would
* really prefer to make it secure by default and make insecure storage an explicit user choice)
* get Steinar, Dave, and others to try this out...
* send salmon hunter drones after Lars to get him back on this :)

Ted




  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-15 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-07  3:11 check mtime of newsrc.eld before saving it Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-07  3:49 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-10-14 19:41   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-01-27  1:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-04 11:39   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-02-04 21:05     ` Steinar Bang
2015-02-04 22:40       ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-05-20 15:53         ` Any cloudy news...? (Was: check mtime of newsrc.eld before saving it) Steinar Bang
2015-06-07 21:28           ` Trying to get gnus-sync working with plink (Was: Any cloudy news...?) Steinar Bang
2015-06-08 16:15             ` Trying to get gnus-sync working with plink Steinar Bang
2015-06-08 16:25               ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-09 10:24                 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2015-06-09 14:47                   ` Steinar Bang
2016-03-07 14:10             ` gnus-sync work (was: Trying to get gnus-sync working with plink) Ted Zlatanov
2016-05-19 22:45               ` gnus-sync work Dave Abrahams
2016-05-20 17:43                 ` Steinar Bang
2016-05-24 19:17                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-05-31 21:33                     ` Dave Abrahams
2016-06-01  5:38                       ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-05 20:27                       ` Dave Abrahams
2016-06-07 18:22                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-06-07 19:53                           ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-15 18:55                           ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2016-06-17 20:21                             ` gnus-cloud work Ted Zlatanov
2016-06-20 12:21                               ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-20 19:10                                 ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-20 19:56                                   ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-21 15:39                                     ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-21 17:35                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-06-21 18:05                                         ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-21 18:52                                 ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-27 14:09                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-06-27 15:07                                     ` Steinar Bang
2016-06-27 15:43                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-03 10:10                                         ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-03 17:05                                           ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-05  2:39                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-06 21:19                                               ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-07 12:52                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-06-27 14:08                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-06-30 14:42                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-06-30 15:02                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-01  2:00                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-07-01  4:27                                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-07-01 17:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-02  1:00                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-06 14:50                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-20 12:58                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-23 20:27                                             ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-24 13:33                                               ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-24 13:38                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-24 14:46                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-25 13:00                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-25 17:42                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-07-26  2:09                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-26  8:15                                                           ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-26 14:14                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-26 18:42                                                               ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-26 18:55                                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-26 19:46                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-26 21:19                                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-27 14:00                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-27 15:59                                                                         ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-28 13:37                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-28 17:18                                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-28 17:41                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-07-28 20:50                                                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-29 20:35                                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-29 23:04                                                                                     ` What happenend Gmane? (Was: Re: gnus-cloud work) Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)
2016-07-30  6:36                                                                                       ` What happenend Gmane? Steinar Bang
2016-07-30  8:40                                                                                         ` Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)
2016-08-01 16:28                                                                                     ` gnus-cloud work Ted Zlatanov
2016-08-01 19:34                                                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2016-08-02  9:59                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-08-03  7:20                                                                                           ` Steinar Bang
2016-08-03  7:44                                                                                             ` gnus-cloud: Invalid base64 data (Was: gnus-cloud work) Steinar Bang
2016-09-19  0:06                                                                                       ` gnus-cloud work Dave Abrahams
2016-09-20 12:54                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-09-30 18:27                                                                                           ` Dave Abrahams
2016-09-30 18:29                                                                                           ` Dave Abrahams
2016-07-23 20:32                                           ` Steinar Bang
2016-07-24  7:33                                             ` Steinar Bang
2015-02-05  3:13     ` check mtime of newsrc.eld before saving it Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-05  4:08       ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-02-05  4:40         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-05 10:49           ` Steinar Bang
2015-02-05 10:59   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-02-13  6:25     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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