* download in background?
@ 2023-03-11 10:10 Emanuel Berg
2023-07-13 0:36 ` Fernando de Morais
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Emanuel Berg @ 2023-03-11 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Can we have - not have this?
Is it difficult to do, to have it in the background with maybe
in the mode bar or something ...
The Emacs OS anyone?
How would you do that?
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* Re: download in background?
2023-03-11 10:10 download in background? Emanuel Berg
@ 2023-07-13 0:36 ` Fernando de Morais
2023-07-13 18:34 ` dick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Fernando de Morais @ 2023-07-13 0:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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Hello Emanuel,
Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> writes:
> Can we have - not have this?
>
> Is it difficult to do, to have it in the background with maybe
> in the mode bar or something ...
>
> The Emacs OS anyone?
>
> How would you do that?
Sorry, unfortunately this message will be a bit long... 😥
In my time using Rmail, I needed a similar solution.
In the configurations of cadadr[1] and Alex Schroeder[2] I've found appropriate
solutions for what I needed, however I insisted on using the tools I already had
on my system, in this case `movemail' from GNU Mailutils, as Rmail needed it for
some operations.
So I wrote my own ``solution'' (attached---straight from my `init.el').
Basically, its only a library for use `movemail' from Emacs and some small
extensions to auto-fetch emails periodically and asynchronously. Each account
had their emails stored in a different MBOX file (or a single one, as I prefer
this days) in a folder. So I could set this directory as a value to the
variable `display-time-mail-directory' and, when detecting that the files are no
longer empty, the indicator of new mail is shown in the `mode-line'.
When I migrated back to Gnus, I continued using the same method, out of
laziness. I simply set the `mail-sources' variable as below:
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(setopt mail-sources '((file :path "~/Mail/spool")))
#+end_src
My ``solution'' always seemed pretty bloated to me and I believe we already have
appropriate libraries in Emacs to auto-fetch emails, in this case
`mail-source.el'. What we need, I think, is just to find a way to make it work
asynchronously.
I've been thinking about this for a while now. It seems to me that we already
have the tools to make Gnus fetch new news asynchronously. Very inspired by
some suggestions from an EmacsWiki[3] page, here with my settings, for example, if
I do the following, with Gnus loaded and open in an Emacs instance:
1. Open a new Emacs;
2. On the new instance, run `M-x gnus-child';
3. Wait for it to be loaded, then `M-x gnus-group-exit';
4. On the main instance, unplug Gnus (`gnus-agent-toggle-plugged');
5. And then `M-x gnus-group-restart'.
News fetched with `gnus-child' are loaded in the "Parent" instance. I don't
know if we could, in the current state of things, replicate this recipe in a
`start-process' or by making use of `async.el'... Perhaps a dear Gnus
maintainer can give us some direction on this possibility.
If you want to make use of my ``solution'' with `movemail' from GNU Mailutils
and need some help, just get in touch and I'll help in any way I can.
Footnotes:
[1] https://cadadr.dreamwidth.org/828.html
[2] https://alexschroeder.ch/wiki/2020-12-17_Rmail
[3] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusSpeed#h5o-26
--
Regards,
Fernando de Morais.
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* Movemail
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(defgroup movemail nil
"GNU Mailutils movemail interface for GNU Emacs."
:group 'external
:prefix "movemail-"
:tag "Movemail")
(defcustom movemail-command "movemail"
"Command for calling movemail.
Do not set options in this variable. To do so, customize
`movemail-flags'."
:type 'string
:group 'movemail)
(defcustom movemail-flags '("--emacs" "--ignore-errors")
"List of flags to pass to movemail execution.
Execute \\[movemail-help] to view a complete list of flags."
:type '(repeat string)
:group 'movemail)
(defcustom movemail-use-tickets nil
"Whether to use the tickets file for retrieving credentials.
This file will be used to get the password for a remote
connection with the desired mailbox(es), but only if the
`auth-source' method fails."
:type 'boolean
:initialize #'custom-initialize-set
:set (lambda (symbol value)
(set-default symbol value)
(when value
(add-to-list 'auth-sources "~/.mu-tickets")))
:group 'movemail)
(defun movemail--check-installation (&optional fun fun-args)
"Verify if movemail is installed.
If passed, optional FUN can be applied with optional FUN-ARGS,
when movemail is located."
(let ((program movemail-command))
(if (executable-find program)
(when fun
(apply fun fun-args))
(error "Could not find %s in `exec-path'" program))))
(defun movemail--get-password (mailbox host port prompt)
"Get password to move mail from remote servers.
The password will be searched through `auth-source', associating
it with MAILBOX, HOST and PORT. When it fails, the credentials
stored in \"~/.mu-tickets\" file will be used by movemail. If
`movemail-use-tickets' is nil or the file is absent, the user
will be prompted for a password instead, with a custom PROMPT."
(let ((remote-password nil))
(setq remote-password
(let ((found (nth 0 (auth-source-search
:max 1
:user mailbox
:host host
:port port
:require '(:secret)))))
(if found
(let ((secret (plist-get found :secret)))
(if (functionp secret)
(funcall secret)
secret))
(unless (and movemail-use-tickets
(file-exists-p "~/.mu-tickets"))
(read-passwd prompt)))))))
(defun movemail--get-prompt (proto)
"Return a prompt, according to PROTO, for password request."
(cond
((string-match-p "\\(?:imaps?\\)" proto)
"IMAP password: ")
((string-match-p "\\(?:pops?\\)" proto)
"POP password: ")
((string-match-p "smtp" proto)
"SMTP password: ")))
(defun movemail-help ()
"Generate a buffer containing movemail help information."
(interactive)
(let* ((command (list (concat movemail-command " --help")))
(contents (movemail--check-installation
#'shell-command-to-string command))
(buffer "*Movemail Help*"))
(with-help-window buffer
(with-current-buffer buffer
(princ contents)))))
(defun movemail-version ()
"Echo movemail version information."
(interactive)
(let* ((command (list (concat movemail-command " -V")))
(contents (movemail--check-installation
#'shell-command-to-string command)))
(message (string-trim contents))))
(defun movemail-move-mail (orig dest &optional pop-pass id)
"Move mail, asynchronously, from one mailbox to another.
ORIG and DEST must be alists whose elements have the form (KEY
. VALUE) that are intended to represent the components of a link
accepted by movemail. Those are specified in the Info
node `(emacs) Movemail'.
Here, KEY can be one of the following:
protocol: VALUE must be one of the protocols supported by
movemail.
user: VALUE must be the username for the mailbox.
password: VALUE must represent the password used for
authentication.
auth-mechanism: VALUE must contain the mechanisms used for
authentication, when more than one, separated by
commas.
port: VALUE must be a string containing the port of the
remote server.
imap-folder: VALUE must be the name of the folder to be
accessed over an IMAP connection.
extra-params: VALUE must contain extra parameters, separated by
semicolons (when more than one).
file-name: VALUE must contain the name of a file or directory.
For example, the link:
imaps://my.email%40example.com@imap.example.com:993/all
Can be represented in the following alist:
((protocol . \"imaps\")
(user . \"my.email@example.com\")
(host . \"imap.example.com\")
(port . \"993\")
(imap-folder . \"all\"))
It is worth noting that certain cons cells are specific to
certain protocols, such as \"auth-mechanisms\" and
\"extra-params\", commonly used in POP and SMTP connections, as
well as the \"file-name\", which should be used to represent
links that point to local files or directories.
The optional POP-PASS is here for the sake of completeness: it
will only be used if ORIG represents a link to a POP connection
and if the KEY \"password\" is nil. Finally, the optional ID
must be a string that will be concatenated to the name of the
process in the form \"movemail--id\"."
(let ((creds (list orig dest))
(links '(orig-link dest-link))
(use-pop-pass nil))
(while creds
(let-alist (car creds)
(if (not .protocol)
(setf (symbol-value (car links)) (expand-file-name .file-name)
creds (cdr creds)
links (cdr links))
(setf (symbol-value (car links))
(concat .protocol
"://"
(if (not (string-match-p
"\\(?:imaps?\\|pops?\\|smtp\\)" .protocol))
(expand-file-name .file-name)
(concat
(replace-regexp-in-string "@" "%40" .user)
(if .password
(concat ":" .password)
(if (and (length= creds 2)
(string-match-p "\\(?:pops?\\)" .protocol)
pop-pass)
(progn
(setq use-pop-pass t)
nil)
(concat ":" (movemail--get-password
.user
.host
.port
(movemail--get-prompt .protocol)))))
(when (and .password .auth-mechanisms)
(concat ";" .auth-mechanisms))
"@"
.host
(when .port (concat ":" .port))
(when .imap-folder (concat "/" .imap-folder))
(when .extra-params (concat ";" .extra-params)))))
creds (cdr creds)
links (cdr links)))))
(movemail--check-installation #'start-process
(flatten-tree
(list (concat "movemail"
(when id (concat "--" id)))
"*Movemail*"
movemail-command
movemail-flags
orig-link
dest-link
(if use-pop-pass pop-pass ""))))))
#+end_src
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; Movemail extension: credentials system
#+end_src
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(defgroup movemail-credentials nil
"Provide information to `movemail' from a lisp-data file."
:group 'movemail
:prefix "movemail-credentials-"
:tag "Movemail Credentials")
(defcustom movemail-credentials-file (expand-file-name
"credentials.el"
user-emacs-directory)
"File that stores the credentials used by `movemail'.
This must to be a lisp-data file, encrypted or not, containing
alists whose elements can be structured as follows:
((foo . ((ignore . nil)
(mail-address . \"foo@example.com\")
(password . \"p4s3w0rd\")
(fetch-auth . \"auth=+APOP\")
(fetch-protocol . \"pop\")
(fetch-server . \"pop.example.com\")
(fetch-port . \"110\")
(fetch-params . \"notls\")
(inbox-filename . \"~/Mail/some-name\"))
(bar . ((ignore .t)
(mail-address . \"bar@example.com\")
(fetch-protocol . \"imaps\")
(fetch-server . \"imap.example.com\")
(fetch-port . \"993\")
(fetch-folder . \"INBOX\")
(inbox-filename . (my-func args))))))
The \"inbox-filename\" can be any file or destination link
containing any local protocol supported by movemail, as well as a
function that returns a string---it will be evaluated when
needed. See the Info node `(emacs) Movemail' for more details on
supported links.
It is not necessary to inform the password in the credentials
file, since it will try to retrieve it through the `auth-source'.
However, if unsuccessful, movemail will try to get the password
from the traditional GNU Mailutils \"~/.mu-tickets\" file. See
the Info node `(mailutils) mailutils wicket' for more details
about this file. If `movemail-use-tickets' is nil or the tickets
file is not in the home directory, the user will be asked for the
password instead.
Only fields that describes mail address, protocol, server and
destination file name are strictly necessary."
:type 'file
:group 'movemail-credentials)
(defun movemail-credentials-read ()
"Read contents of the `movemail-credentials-file'."
(let ((file movemail-credentials-file))
(if (file-exists-p file)
(with-temp-buffer
(insert-file-contents file)
(read (current-buffer)))
(error "Credentials file \"%s\" not found"
(file-name-nondirectory file)))))
(defun movemail-credentials-list ()
"Return a list of non-ignored mailboxes.
Those are listed in the credentials file. See
`movemail-credentials-file' for more details."
(let ((credentials (movemail-credentials-read))
(mailboxes (list))
(count 0))
(while (< count (length credentials))
(let ((current (nth count credentials)))
(unless (alist-get 'ignore current)
(push (car current) mailboxes)))
(setq count (1+ count)))
(nreverse mailboxes)))
#+end_src
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; Movemail extension: fetch mail helper
#+end_src
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(defgroup movemail-fetch nil
"Extension to fetch mail in a convenient way with `movemail'."
:group 'movemail
:prefix "movemail-fetch-"
:tag "Movemail Fetch")
(defcustom movemail-fetch-filter nil
"Filter function for processes started by `movemail-fetch-mail'.
See `set-process-filter' for more info on filter functions."
:type '(choice boolean function)
:group 'movemail-fetch)
(defcustom movemail-fetch-sentinel nil
"Sentinel function for processes started by `movemail-fetch-mail'.
See `set-process-sentinel' for more info on sentinels."
:type 'function
:group 'movemail-fetch)
(defun movemail-fetch-mail ()
"Fetch remote mail to a local inbox with `movemail-move-mail'.
A filter and a sentinel function can be added to each movemail
process execution setting `movemail-fetch-filter' and
`movemail-fetch-sentinel', respectively.
To use this function it will be necessary to create and set a
credentials file. See `movemail-credentials-file' for more
information."
(interactive)
(let ((credentials (movemail-credentials-read))
(mailboxes (movemail-credentials-list)))
(while mailboxes
(let-alist (alist-get (car mailboxes) credentials)
(let ((id (symbol-name (car mailboxes)))
(orig (list (cons 'protocol .fetch-protocol)
(cons 'user .mail-address)
(cons 'password .password)
(cons 'auth-mechanisms .fetch-auth)
(cons 'host .fetch-server)
(cons 'port .fetch-port)
(cons 'imap-folder .fetch-folder)
(cons 'extra-params .fetch-params)))
(dest (list (cons 'file-name (eval .inbox-filename))))
(process nil))
(if (string-match-p
"\\(?:\\(?:imaps?\\|pops?\\|smtp\\)://\\)"
(alist-get 'file-name dest))
(user-error "%s: \"inbox-filename\" is not a local mailbox" id)
(setq process (movemail-move-mail orig dest nil id))
(set-process-filter process movemail-fetch-filter)
(when (functionp movemail-fetch-sentinel)
(set-process-sentinel process movemail-fetch-sentinel)))))
(setq mailboxes (cdr mailboxes)))))
#+end_src
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; Movemail extension: auto-fetch mail
#+end_src
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(defgroup movemail-auto-fetch nil
"Auto-fetch extension for GNU Mailutils movemail on Emacs."
:group 'movemail
:prefix "movemail-auto-fetch-"
:tag "Movemail Auto-Fetch")
(defcustom movemail-auto-fetch-step 60
"Time step to calculate the auto fetch frequency."
:type 'integer
:group 'movemail-auto-fetch)
(defcustom movemail-auto-fetch-timer 5
"Timer to auto fetch mails.
The time step can be configured in `movemail-auto-fetch-step'."
:type 'number
:group 'movemail-auto-fetch)
(defvar movemail-auto-fetch-object nil
"Timer object generated from `movemail-auto-fetch-mode'.")
(define-minor-mode movemail-auto-fetch-mode
"Minor mode to auto-fetch mail in background with `movemail'."
:global t
:init-value nil
:lighter " AFMail"
(let ((time (* movemail-auto-fetch-step movemail-auto-fetch-timer))
(object movemail-auto-fetch-object))
(if (not movemail-auto-fetch-mode)
(when (timerp object)
(cancel-timer object)
(setq movemail-auto-fetch-object nil))
(unless (timerp object)
(setq movemail-auto-fetch-object
(run-with-timer 0 time #'movemail-fetch-mail))))))
#+end_src
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(add-hook 'after-init-hook #'movemail-auto-fetch-mode 100)
#+end_src
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* Re: download in background?
2023-07-13 0:36 ` Fernando de Morais
@ 2023-07-13 18:34 ` dick
2023-07-13 23:39 ` Fernando de Morais
2023-08-08 12:18 ` Björn Bidar
0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: dick @ 2023-07-13 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fernando de Morais; +Cc: ding
FdM> Sorry, unfortunately this message will be a bit long...
It didn't need to be. You could just say "An external movemail
process fetches mail into my display-time-mail-directory."
If your system supports POSIX threads, Commercial Emacs will fetch
asynchronously out of the box.
Here's the shell invocation that proves the point:
emacs -Q --eval "(custom-set-variables \
(quote (gnus-select-method (quote (nnnil \"\")))) \
(quote (gnus-use-dribble-file nil)) \
(quote (gnus-large-newsgroup nil)) \
)" \
-l nnnil \
--eval "(defun nnnil-request-scan (&optional group server) (sleep-for 10))" \
--eval "(cl-letf (((symbol-function (quote gnus-y-or-n-p)) (function ignore))) \
(call-interactively (quote gnus-child)))"
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* Re: download in background?
2023-07-13 18:34 ` dick
@ 2023-07-13 23:39 ` Fernando de Morais
2023-08-08 12:18 ` Björn Bidar
1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Fernando de Morais @ 2023-07-13 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dick; +Cc: ding
Hello,
dick <dick.r.chiang@gmail.com> writes:
> It didn't need to be. You could just say "An external movemail
> process fetches mail into my display-time-mail-directory."
Thanks! 😅
> If your system supports POSIX threads, Commercial Emacs will fetch
> asynchronously out of the box.
Cool! I was unaware of Commercial Emacs. I'm going to test it out!
Thanks.
Is there any chance we'll have these features (asynchronous fetch)
submitted as patches for GNU Emacs?
--
Regards,
Fernando de Morais.
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* Re: download in background?
2023-07-13 18:34 ` dick
2023-07-13 23:39 ` Fernando de Morais
@ 2023-08-08 12:18 ` Björn Bidar
1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Björn Bidar @ 2023-08-08 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dick; +Cc: Fernando de Morais, ding
One of your failed patches is now a fork? I don't think it is helpful to
refer user to a half backed fork.
Would be great if you would submit your patch asynchronous patches for
Gnus to emacs-devel.
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