Illegible text checking?

Illegible text checking?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

Hi,

the following change:

2002-03-01  ShengHuo ZHU  <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>

        * message.el (message-fix-before-sending): Check illegible text.

breaks something and prevents users from sending messages containing
accentuated characters, complaining about illegible text found in the
buffer. Why exactly was this introduced?

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Re: Illegible text checking?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> the following change:
>
> 2002-03-01  ShengHuo ZHU  <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>
>
>         * message.el (message-fix-before-sending): Check illegible text.
>
> breaks something and prevents users from sending messages containing
> accentuated characters, complaining about illegible text found in the
> buffer. Why exactly was this introduced?

It is to prevent users to send eight bit control characters. It should
not complain accentuated characters, at least, it didn't when I send
one. Could you post what returns when pressing `C-u C-x =' on an
accentuated characters in the message buffer?

Test: ä

ShengHuo

Re: Illegible text checking?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

ShengHuo ZHU writes:

> It is to prevent users to send eight bit control characters. It should
> not complain accentuated characters, at least, it didn't when I send
> one. Could you post what returns when pressing `C-u C-x =' on an
> accentuated characters in the message buffer?

> Test: .

  character: . (0344, 228, 0xe4)
    charset: eight-bit-graphic (8-bit graphic char (0xA0..0xFF))
 code point: 228
     syntax: word
   category:
buffer code: 0xE4
  file code: 0xE4 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule-unix)
       font: -B&H-LucidaTypewriter-Medium-R-Normal-Sans-12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO8859-1

I probably won't be able to send this message, expect to see dots
instead of the accentuated a. :-)

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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

ShengHuo ZHU writes:

> It is to prevent users to send eight bit control characters. It should
> not complain accentuated characters, at least, it didn't when I send
> one. Could you post what returns when pressing `C-u C-x =' on an
> accentuated characters in the message buffer?

> Test: .

  character: . (0344, 228, 0xe4)
    charset: eight-bit-graphic (8-bit graphic char (0xA0..0xFF))
 code point: 228
     syntax: word
   category:
buffer code: 0xE4
  file code: 0xE4 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule-unix)
       font: -B&H-LucidaTypewriter-Medium-R-Normal-Sans-12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO8859-1

I probably won't be able to send this message, expect to see dots
instead of the accentuated a. :-)

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Re: Illegible text checking?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> ShengHuo ZHU writes:
>
>> It is to prevent users to send eight bit control characters. It should
>> not complain accentuated characters, at least, it didn't when I send
>> one. Could you post what returns when pressing `C-u C-x =' on an
>> accentuated characters in the message buffer?
>
>> Test: .
>
>   character: . (0344, 228, 0xe4)
>     charset: eight-bit-graphic (8-bit graphic char (0xA0..0xFF))
>  code point: 228
>      syntax: word
>    category:
> buffer code: 0xE4
>   file code: 0xE4 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule-unix)
>        font: -B&H-LucidaTypewriter-Medium-R-Normal-Sans-12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO8859-1
>
> I probably won't be able to send this message, expect to see dots
> instead of the accentuated a. :-)

I got this. 

  character: ä (04344, 2276, 0x8e4)
    charset: latin-iso8859-1
	     (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 1 (ISO/IEC 8859-1): ISO-IR-100.)
 code point: 100
     syntax: word
   category: l:Latin  
buffer code: 0x81 0xE4
  file code: 0x81 0xE4 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule)
    Unicode: 00E4
       font: -Adobe-Courier-Medium-R-Normal--14-100-100-100-M-90-ISO8859-1

It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
message buffer?

ShengHuo

Re: Illegible text checking?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

ShengHuo ZHU writes:

> It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
> message buffer?

It was nil, and looking at my configuration, I found that I had a 

(standard-display-european t)

which is now marked as obsolete. I replaced it with

(set-language-environment 'Latin-1)

and Gnus doesn't complain anymore, but now, my mails are sent as QP, and
not 8bit. How do I get 8bit back?

Thanks for the help, ShengHuo!

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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

ShengHuo ZHU writes:

> It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
> message buffer?

It was nil, and looking at my configuration, I found that I had a 

(standard-display-european t)

which is now marked as obsolete. I replaced it with

(set-language-environment 'Latin-1)

and Gnus doesn't complain anymore, but now, my mails are sent as QP, and
not 8bit. How do I get 8bit back?

Thanks for the help, ShengHuo!

-- 
Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com>
it's a miracle! -- http://www.orebokech.com/

Re: Illegible text checking?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> ShengHuo ZHU writes:
>
>> It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
>> message buffer?
>
> It was nil, and looking at my configuration, I found that I had a 
>
> (standard-display-european t)
>
> which is now marked as obsolete. I replaced it with
>
> (set-language-environment 'Latin-1)
>
> and Gnus doesn't complain anymore, but now, my mails are sent as QP, and
> not 8bit. How do I get 8bit back?

You can customize gnus-group-posting-charset-alist or
mm-body-charset-encoding-alist.

ShengHuo

Re: Illegible text checking?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> ShengHuo ZHU writes:
>
>> It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
>> message buffer?
>
> It was nil, and looking at my configuration, I found that I had a 
>
> (standard-display-european t)
>
> which is now marked as obsolete. I replaced it with
>
> (set-language-environment 'Latin-1)
>
> and Gnus doesn't complain anymore, but now, my mails are sent as QP, and
> not 8bit. How do I get 8bit back?

You can customize gnus-group-posting-charset-alist or
mm-body-charset-encoding-alist.

ShengHuo

Re: Illegible text checking?

[Sean Rima]

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On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, ShengHuo ZHU wrote, without the least grovelling:

> Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:
> 
>> ShengHuo ZHU writes:
>>
>>> It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
>>> message buffer?
>>
>> It was nil, and looking at my configuration, I found that I had a 
>>
>> (standard-display-european t)
>>
>> which is now marked as obsolete. I replaced it with
>>
>> (set-language-environment 'Latin-1)
>>
>> and Gnus doesn't complain anymore, but now, my mails are sent as QP,
>> and not 8bit. How do I get 8bit back?
> 
> You can customize gnus-group-posting-charset-alist or
> mm-body-charset-encoding-alist.
> 
Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 

Sean

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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:

> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 

What is your problem with the Euro symbol?

kai
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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:

> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 

What is your problem with the Euro symbol?

kai
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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Sean Rima]

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On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Kai thusly discussed the words of the Internet
Oracle:

> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
> 
>> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 
> 
> What is your problem with the Euro symbol?
> 

When I try to send an email or news article containing the Euro synbol,
gnus comes back with an Illegible characters and allowes to redit,
replaced with dots etc but won't let me post it. I have added:
; use iso-8859-15 charset by default, to let Gnus recognize the
; euro symbol
(defconst gnus-default-posting-charset 'iso-8859-15)
(defconst mm-body-charset-encoding-alist '((iso-8859-15 . 8bit)))
(defconst message-default-charset 'iso-8859-15)
 
To my .gnus.el and rebyte compiled it but still the same.

Sean

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[Sean Rima]

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On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Kai thusly discussed the words of the Internet
Oracle:

> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
> 
>> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 
> 
> What is your problem with the Euro symbol?
> 

When I try to send an email or news article containing the Euro synbol,
gnus comes back with an Illegible characters and allowes to redit,
replaced with dots etc but won't let me post it. I have added:
; use iso-8859-15 charset by default, to let Gnus recognize the
; euro symbol
(defconst gnus-default-posting-charset 'iso-8859-15)
(defconst mm-body-charset-encoding-alist '((iso-8859-15 . 8bit)))
(defconst message-default-charset 'iso-8859-15)
 
To my .gnus.el and rebyte compiled it but still the same.

Sean

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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:

> On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Kai thusly discussed the words of the Internet
> Oracle:
>
>> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
>> 
>>> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 
>> 
>> What is your problem with the Euro symbol?
>
> When I try to send an email or news article containing the Euro synbol,
> gnus comes back with an Illegible characters and allowes to redit,
> replaced with dots etc but won't let me post it.

Ah, this indeed appears to be the same problem as the previous poster
had.  So please try ShengHuo's suggestion.

kai
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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:

> On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Kai thusly discussed the words of the Internet
> Oracle:
>
>> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
>> 
>>> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 
>> 
>> What is your problem with the Euro symbol?
>
> When I try to send an email or news article containing the Euro synbol,
> gnus comes back with an Illegible characters and allowes to redit,
> replaced with dots etc but won't let me post it.

Ah, this indeed appears to be the same problem as the previous poster
had.  So please try ShengHuo's suggestion.

kai
-- 
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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Kai on Sun, 03 Mar 2002 wrote:

>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Kai thusly discussed the words of the Internet
>> Oracle:
>>
>>> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 
>>> 
>>> What is your problem with the Euro symbol?
>>
>> When I try to send an email or news article containing the Euro
>> synbol, gnus comes back with an Illegible characters and allowes to
>> redit, replaced with dots etc but won't let me post it.
> 
> Ah, this indeed appears to be the same problem as the previous poster
> had.  So please try ShengHuo's suggestion.
> 

I sort of sorted it. It turned out that whilst I had compiled the
section that I showed into the .gnus.el file, I had tried it unde the
same emacs session. This monring I went to send an email that required
the Euro symbol and no warning, although I have a feeling it may have
gone out as quote-printable

Sean
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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Kai on Sun, 03 Mar 2002 wrote:

>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Kai thusly discussed the words of the Internet
>> Oracle:
>>
>>> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 
>>> 
>>> What is your problem with the Euro symbol?
>>
>> When I try to send an email or news article containing the Euro
>> synbol, gnus comes back with an Illegible characters and allowes to
>> redit, replaced with dots etc but won't let me post it.
> 
> Ah, this indeed appears to be the same problem as the previous poster
> had.  So please try ShengHuo's suggestion.
> 

I sort of sorted it. It turned out that whilst I had compiled the
section that I showed into the .gnus.el file, I had tried it unde the
same emacs session. This monring I went to send an email that required
the Euro symbol and no warning, although I have a feeling it may have
gone out as quote-printable

Sean
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Re: Illegible text checking?

[Sean Rima]

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On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, ShengHuo ZHU wrote, without the least grovelling:

> Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:
> 
>> ShengHuo ZHU writes:
>>
>>> It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
>>> message buffer?
>>
>> It was nil, and looking at my configuration, I found that I had a 
>>
>> (standard-display-european t)
>>
>> which is now marked as obsolete. I replaced it with
>>
>> (set-language-environment 'Latin-1)
>>
>> and Gnus doesn't complain anymore, but now, my mails are sent as QP,
>> and not 8bit. How do I get 8bit back?
> 
> You can customize gnus-group-posting-charset-alist or
> mm-body-charset-encoding-alist.
> 
Do you have to do the same to be able to use the Euro symbol 

Sean

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Re: Illegible text checking?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> ShengHuo ZHU writes:
>
>> It is to prevent users to send eight bit control characters. It should
>> not complain accentuated characters, at least, it didn't when I send
>> one. Could you post what returns when pressing `C-u C-x =' on an
>> accentuated characters in the message buffer?
>
>> Test: .
>
>   character: . (0344, 228, 0xe4)
>     charset: eight-bit-graphic (8-bit graphic char (0xA0..0xFF))
>  code point: 228
>      syntax: word
>    category:
> buffer code: 0xE4
>   file code: 0xE4 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule-unix)
>        font: -B&H-LucidaTypewriter-Medium-R-Normal-Sans-12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO8859-1
>
> I probably won't be able to send this message, expect to see dots
> instead of the accentuated a. :-)

I got this. 

  character: ä (04344, 2276, 0x8e4)
    charset: latin-iso8859-1
	     (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 1 (ISO/IEC 8859-1): ISO-IR-100.)
 code point: 100
     syntax: word
   category: l:Latin  
buffer code: 0x81 0xE4
  file code: 0x81 0xE4 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule)
    Unicode: 00E4
       font: -Adobe-Courier-Medium-R-Normal--14-100-100-100-M-90-ISO8859-1

It seems you turn off multibyte. What is (mm-multibyte-p) in the
message buffer?

ShengHuo

Re: Illegible text checking?

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> the following change:
>
> 2002-03-01  ShengHuo ZHU  <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>
>
>         * message.el (message-fix-before-sending): Check illegible text.
>
> breaks something and prevents users from sending messages containing
> accentuated characters, complaining about illegible text found in the
> buffer. Why exactly was this introduced?

It is to prevent users to send eight bit control characters. It should
not complain accentuated characters, at least, it didn't when I send
one. Could you post what returns when pressing `C-u C-x =' on an
accentuated characters in the message buffer?

Test: ä

ShengHuo

Illegible text checking?

[Romain FRANCOISE]

Hi,

the following change:

2002-03-01  ShengHuo ZHU  <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>

        * message.el (message-fix-before-sending): Check illegible text.

breaks something and prevents users from sending messages containing
accentuated characters, complaining about illegible text found in the
buffer. Why exactly was this introduced?

-- 
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