Earn No Big Bucks

Earn No Big Bucks

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

I'm actually planning on finishing my studies here this autumn, which
means that all these gnusey things on ifi.uio.no will become rather
iffy after a while.  To make the switchover easier, it would be nice
to register a gnus.org domain that one can then switch over to
wherever we want to as time passes, so that "ding@gnus.org" will
always be the address for this mailing list and
<URL:http://www.gnus.org/> will always be the home page for Gnus. 

Jason R. Mastaler has graciously offered to offer a machine for
hosting a gnus.org for free.  However, registering the domain costs
$100, and (this may sound really silly) I don't have any extra money
from now until the autumn.  We could wait until then to do this thing,
but since it always takes quite a while to update all references to
old addresses (on Web pages, on documentation, in people's mail
readers) it would be nice to have this done as soon as possible.

So I wondered whether there is at all any possibility of getting ten
people to donate $10 or something.  (You can't deduct this from your
taxes since I'm not (yet) an official charity. :-) If so, I'd be
eternally grateful.

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Re: Earn No Big Bucks

[Randal Schwartz]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

Lars> So I wondered whether there is at all any possibility of getting ten
Lars> people to donate $10 or something.  (You can't deduct this from your
Lars> taxes since I'm not (yet) an official charity. :-) If so, I'd be
Lars> eternally grateful.

However, those of us that are authorized to spend the company's funds
can certainly have the company earmark it as a legitmate
cost-of-doing-business, and therefore deductable as a business
expense.  I could certainly make a business case for that from my
perspective (and personal benefit in using "ding").

So don't be so quick to call it "not deductible".  Them's fightin'
words to an entrepreneur. :-)

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Re: Earn No Big Bucks

[andreas]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

    Lars> I'm actually planning on finishing my studies here this
    Lars> autumn, which means that all these gnusey things on
    Lars> ifi.uio.no will become rather iffy after a while.  To make
    Lars> the switchover easier, it would be nice to register a
    Lars> gnus.org domain that one can then switch over to wherever we
    Lars> want to as time passes, so that "ding@gnus.org" will always
    Lars> be the address for this mailing list and
    Lars> <URL:http://www.gnus.org/> will always be the home page for
    Lars> Gnus.

    Lars> Jason R. Mastaler has graciously offered to offer a machine
    Lars> for hosting a gnus.org for free.  However, registering the
    Lars> domain costs $100, and (this may sound really silly) I don't
    Lars> have any extra money from now until the autumn.  We could
    Lars> wait until then to do this thing, but since it always takes
    Lars> quite a while to update all references to old addresses (on
    Lars> Web pages, on documentation, in people's mail readers) it
    Lars> would be nice to have this done as soon as possible.

well i use xemacs and gnus everyday... i own my own company and have
no problems registering the name and paying the registration fee...

let me know if you want me to proceed....

btw:  awesum product... just have to figure out how to get my email to 
expire and be removed from my disk one of these days....

cheers,
andreas
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Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Due to the generousity of Andreas, the money collection is no longer
necessary.  He pays, Jason does the work, and I don't have to do
anything.  :-)

Also thanks to all the people who offered to donate money.  I'm
overwhelmed.

The only *difficult* problem that remains is what the Organization
Name of gnus.org is supposed to be.  :-)  xemacs.org has "XEmacs
Advocacy Group", for instance.

My mind is a complete blank here at the moment...  "Gnus Newsreader
Technologies"?  Eh.  "Gnus -- People's Democratic Newsreader".
Perhaps we used that one up on the Red Gnus shirts...  Uhm...

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Paul Stodghill]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

    Lars> The only *difficult* problem that remains is what the
    Lars> Organization Name of gnus.org is supposed to be. :-) xemacs.org
    Lars> has "XEmacs Advocacy Group", for instance.

    Lars> My mind is a complete blank here at the moment... "Gnus
    Lars> Newsreader Technologies"? Eh. "Gnus -- People's Democratic
    Lars> Newsreader". Perhaps we used that one up on the Red Gnus
    Lars> shirts... Uhm...


What, pray tell, is wrong with "Gnus Advocacy Group"? :-)
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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> The only *difficult* problem that remains is what the Organization
> Name of gnus.org is supposed to be.  :-)  xemacs.org has "XEmacs
> Advocacy Group", for instance.

Not any more.  That (IMHO excellent) name has been given up because of
the... uhm... wrong ways it could be understood.

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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
Lars> The only *difficult* problem that remains is what the
Lars> Organization Name of gnus.org is supposed to be. :-) xemacs.org
Lars> has "XEmacs Advocacy Group", for instance.

Hrvoje Niksic writes:

> Not any more.  That (IMHO excellent) name has been given up because of
> the... uhm... wrong ways it could be understood.

In a bow to political correctness it was renamed to XEmacs Development 
Team.

Lars> My mind is a complete blank here at the moment... "Gnus
Lars> Newsreader Technologies"?

ROTFL

Lars> Eh. "Gnus -- People's Democratic
Lars> Newsreader". Perhaps we used that one up on the Red Gnus
Lars> shirts... Uhm...

Paul Stodghill writes:

> What, pray tell, is wrong with "Gnus Advocacy Group"? :-)

That would be O.K.  I rather liked Richard Mlynarik's `Gnus Groupies'.
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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> > What, pray tell, is wrong with "Gnus Advocacy Group"? :-)
> 
> That would be O.K.

Uhm...  I don't like the word "advocacy", really.  

> I rather liked Richard Mlynarik's `Gnus Groupies'.

Mee too!  :-)

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Daniel Simms]

>>>>> "PS" == Paul Stodghill <stodghil@CS.Cornell.EDU> writes:

  PS> What, pray tell, is wrong with "Gnus Advocacy Group"? :-) 

Besides the fact that the acronym would be "GAG"?...

I was thinking "Gnus-Reader Underground" so you could make puns about
lurking GRUs and such.

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[David Moore]

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Hrvoje Niksic writes:
> 
> > What, pray tell, is wrong with "Gnus Advocacy Group"? :-)
> 
> That would be O.K.  I rather liked Richard Mlynarik's `Gnus Groupies'.

Personally, I like the sound of gag.



	"David, where can I get the latest version of Gnus?"

	"Oh, on the GAG home page: dub-dub-dub dot gnus dot org"


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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Jason R. Mastaler]

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> > The only *difficult* problem that remains is what the Organization
> > Name of gnus.org is supposed to be.  :-)  xemacs.org has "XEmacs
> > Advocacy Group", for instance.
> 
> Not any more.  That (IMHO excellent) name has been given up because of
> the... uhm... wrong ways it could be understood.

Actually, that name does still exist as far as the InterNIC is
concerned.  This first line of the whois lookup is the 
"Organization Name" of a domain.

rosebud$ whois xemacs.org

XEmacs Advocacy Group (XEMACS-DOM)
   Department of Computer Science
   1304 West Springfield Avenue
   Urbana, IL 61801
   USA
 
   Domain Name: XEMACS.ORG
 
   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Thompson, Charles  (CT480)  cthomp@CS.UIUC.EDU
      217-333-3632
 
   Record last updated on 28-Apr-96.
   Record created on 28-Apr-96.
 
   Domain servers in listed order:
 
   XEMACS.CS.UIUC.EDU           128.174.252.16
   A.CS.UIUC.EDU                128.174.252.1
 

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Steven L Baur]

Daniel Simms writes:

> I was thinking "Gnus-Reader Underground" so you could make puns about
> lurking GRUs and such.

Or maybe Gnus Usenet Readers Underground? :-)
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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Jason R. Mastaler]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Technologies"?  Eh.  "Gnus -- People's Democratic Newsreader".

I kind of like this one.  Or to borrow another one (from emacs.org),
how about "The Gnus Collective" (maybe that is too trekish)

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Jason R. Mastaler]

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> That would be O.K.  I rather liked Richard Mlynarik's `Gnus Groupies'.

Or "Hooked on Gnus"  :-)

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> > I rather liked Richard Mlynarik's `Gnus Groupies'.
> Mee too!  :-)

What are/were `Gnus Groupies'?

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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Randal Schwartz]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

Lars> My mind is a complete blank here at the moment...  "Gnus Newsreader
Lars> Technologies"?  Eh.  "Gnus -- People's Democratic Newsreader".
Lars> Perhaps we used that one up on the Red Gnus shirts...  Uhm...

Gnus Network User Services = GNUS

Has a nice (recursive) ring to it.

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Gnus Groupies (was Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks))

[Steven L Baur]

Hrvoje Niksic writes:

> What are/were `Gnus Groupies'?

>From the Gnus Memory division (why doesn't nnweb find this?):

Subject:      Re: about message mode
From:         Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
Date:         1996/06/25
Message-Id:   <xcj20j3k211.fsf@adoc.xerox.com>
Newsgroups:   gnu.emacs.gnus
[More Headers]

   From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@vnet.ibm.com>
   Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
   Date: 20 Jun 1996 10:18:57 -0400

   ssjaaa@uta.fi writes:
   > What I mean here: it is important that users can get the "same old
   > look and feel", at least in some extent, otherwise the shift
   > is too radical to accept.
   Well, if said user has code that dabbles in the internals of GNUS,
   there's no way to support her.  Hmm, or maybe we might just package
   4.1 along with ding? :-)

mail-yank-ignored-headers, mail-yank-prefix, mail-setup-hook,
mail-default-headers, mail-citation-hook, are hardly "the internals of
GNUS": they're variables which have existed and have been advertised
as existing for more than a *decade*, but message.el is apparently too
wonderful and too new and too clever and too clean to bother with
details such as accomodating actual users (as opposed to beta-testers
and other gnus groupies who have nothing better to do than mess with
their init files all day long.)  There are about a dozen other such
variables.

Nor is send-mail-function an `internal' function.

Meanwhile, the new junk (message-citation-line-function,
gnus-message-archive-method, message-max-buffers) introduces worse
behaviour in incompatible fashion; such things should be turned off by
default.
   
At least we can be thankful that message.el deigns to look at -one-
predefined variable -- mail-header-separator !

I was pretty happy with the amazing job done with gnus 5.1, and in
particular with its upward-compatibility with old gnus (apart from the
hopeless, tasteless face fuckage induced by custom.el.)
5.2 is a big step back in accomodation to users.

-- Richard (I use it anyway.  What choice is there?)
     _________________________________________________________________

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Re: Gnus Groupies (was Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks))

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Subject:      Re: about message mode
[...]

I have a feeling I didn't want to know the answer, not really.  This
was one of the strongest in the series of (IMHO clueless) message
flames.

> 5.2 is a big step back in accomodation to users.

Bah.

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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Eze Ogwuma]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> The only *difficult* problem that remains is what the Organization
> Name of gnus.org is supposed to be.  :-)  xemacs.org has "XEmacs
> Advocacy Group", for instance.

Well how about Gnus Towers?

Eze.

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Sudish Joseph]

David Moore writes:
> 	"Oh, on the GAG home page: dub-dub-dub dot gnus dot org"

I knew someone who would've pronounced that "wuh-wuh-wuh dot gnus dot
org."  dub-dub-dub is new to me. 

> -- 
[...]
> <URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/>    | In a cloud bones of steel.

Hmm, The Motto does get around, doesn't it?  This is from my old
.xtrekrc file:

mac.b.A:. ~|~ |\ |   .^.   /~ |   /`\ | | |~\
mac.b.A:. _|_ | \|   |~|   \_ |__ \./ |_| |_/
mac.b.A:.
mac.b.A:.                     |~> /`\ |\ | <~ <~   /`\ |~   <~ ~|~ <~ <~ |
mac.b.A:.                     |_> \./ | \| <_ _>   \./ |~   _>  |  <_ <_ |__

I wonder if Bill Perry has/had any Emacs-specific macros. :-)

-Sudish

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Justin Sheehy]

Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:

> Gnus Network User Services = GNUS

Woo!   Seconded!

-Justin

 

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[William M. Perry]

Sudish Joseph writes:
>David Moore writes:
>> 	"Oh, on the GAG home page: dub-dub-dub dot gnus dot org"
>
>I knew someone who would've pronounced that "wuh-wuh-wuh dot gnus dot
>org."  dub-dub-dub is new to me. 
>
>> -- 
>[...]
>> <URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/>    | In a cloud bones of steel.
>
>Hmm, The Motto does get around, doesn't it?  This is from my old
>.xtrekrc file:
>
>mac.b.A:. ~|~ |\ |   .^.   /~ |   /`\ | | |~\
>mac.b.A:. _|_ | \|   |~|   \_ |__ \./ |_| |_/
>mac.b.A:.
>mac.b.A:.                     |~> /`\ |\ | <~ <~   /`\ |~   <~ ~|~ <~ <~ |
>mac.b.A:.                     |_> \./ | \| <_ _>   \./ |~   _>  |  <_ <_ |__
>
>I wonder if Bill Perry has/had any Emacs-specific macros. :-)

  I've been getting very nostalgic for my netrekking days, and have been
fiddling around a little with 'metaserver.el' again - is the netrek
metaserver still out there?  How about a nice 'netrek://hostname:port/' url
in the next revision of emacs-w3? :)

  -Bill P.

PS: Best 12 hours I ever spent in a computer lab was completely humiliating
    some CMU weenie who had made admiral on some server, and demolishing
    him over and over and over again while playing as 'ensign guest' while
    we genocided his team over and over again.  Ah, the glory days.

PPS:Hmmm, I think its time to check whether netrek works over a SOCKS
    relay. :)

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On 23 Mar 1997 16:23:43 -0800
>>>>> Daniel Simms <dsimms@alink.net> said:

 Daniel> I was thinking "Gnus-Reader Underground" so you could make
 Daniel> puns about lurking GRUs and such.

Gnus Underground Empire? We could count the years in GUE.

	Robbe

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Christopher Davis]

RS> == Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com>

 RS> Gnus Network User Services = GNUS

Gnus' Networked Underground Society.

gnus-netrek.el (was Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks))

[Christopher Davis]

WMP> == William M Perry <wmperry@aventail.com>

 WMP> I've been getting very nostalgic for my netrekking days

I was never much good at it, because when I was still young enough to have
the time and energy to play netrek all night the fastest color machine I
had access to was a Sun 3/60, and now that I have a nice big fast
workstation on my desk I also have a house and a wife and a life.

It might be fun to have the "gnus.org (ding) Top Sekrit Netrek Server"
though.  Then we could all blow each other up instead of thinking of new
features for Lars to implement. :)

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:

> Gnus Network User Services = GNUS

Hey; that's kinda neat.  I've always wondered what "GNUS" was an
acronym for.  :-)

It's also very accurate, I must say.

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Paul Stodghill]

Here's my second and final suggestion,

       Gnusaholics Anonymous

Of course, we'd have to put something about the 12-step plan into the
FAQ...

:-)

Alright, alright. I'll shuddup and go back to writing my thesis...
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Re: gnus-netrek.el (was Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks))

[William M. Perry]

Christopher Davis writes:
>WMP> == William M Perry <wmperry@aventail.com>
>
> WMP> I've been getting very nostalgic for my netrekking days
>
>I was never much good at it, because when I was still young enough to have
>the time and energy to play netrek all night the fastest color machine I
>had access to was a Sun 3/60, and now that I have a nice big fast
>workstation on my desk I also have a house and a wife and a life.
>
>It might be fun to have the "gnus.org (ding) Top Sekrit Netrek Server"
>though.  Then we could all blow each other up instead of thinking of new
>features for Lars to implement. :)

  Now _THIS_ would be cool.  WHO'S  UP FOR BLOOD?! :)  Perhaps a quake
server would be more in line with the late 90's?  'Clan GNUS' or whatever
the hell the quake teams go by (I htink they are clans)

-Bill P.

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Sudish Joseph]

William M Perry writes:
>   I've been getting very nostalgic for my netrekking days, and have been
> fiddling around a little with 'metaserver.el' again - is the netrek
> metaserver still out there?  

Yup.  Alive and kicking.

> How about a nice 'netrek://hostname:port/' url in the next revision
> of emacs-w3? :)

:-) 

Joe Rumsey had posted details on adding a mailcap entry to get
netscape to kick off the client in playback mode when you click on a
URL leading to a game recording.

I think you'll also find <URL:http://web.mit.edu/ttonchev/www/netrek/>
*very* interesting.  Theo wrote a Java viewer for game recordings,
anyone with netscape can see some example plays without ever leaving
your browser.  Check it out, all you gnus groupies.

> PS: Best 12 hours I ever spent in a computer lab was completely humiliating

Don't get me started.

> PPS:Hmmm, I think its time to check whether netrek works over a SOCKS
>     relay. :)

I can assure you that it works reasonably well over an ssh-forwarded
encrypted X connection. :-)

-Sudish

Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog@ucl.ac.uk>:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>> The only *difficult* problem that remains is what the Organization
>> Name of gnus.org is supposed to be.  :-)  xemacs.org has "XEmacs
>> Advocacy Group", for instance.

> Well how about Gnus Towers?

Gnus Towers, is nice.  It's even in the manual already, no need to
adapt that.


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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Jason R. Mastaler]

Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:

> Gnus Network User Services = GNUS
> 
> Has a nice (recursive) ring to it.

We've (Lars) decided to use this one.

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Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)

[Randal Schwartz]

>>>>> "Jason" == Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes:

Jason> Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:
>> Gnus Network User Services = GNUS
>> 
>> Has a nice (recursive) ring to it.

Jason> We've (Lars) decided to use this one.

<blush>

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