Re: Please unbundle the custom and widget libraries from qgnus.

[Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> Hrvoje> I seem to have missed this patch.  Why don't you customize the Gnus
> Hrvoje> faces to be colorless?
> 
> Because there are a lot of different faces that Gnus uses, and this is the
> kind of on-off thing that should be easilly accomplished.

I see.  But how did you disable colors before `defface' was used?  I
mean, you must have had an even harder time doing it.  Or not?

> >> This is more of an issue with cus-face than custom.
> 
> Hrvoje> Then it's an issue with custom (if it indeed is an issue), too.
> 
> You're right.  Its been so long since I seriously looked at the code that I
> had forgotten (PGP will munge the "---" lines a bit; sorry):
[...]

This patch looks simple (though a little-bit dirty).  Why didn't Per
accept it?  Now, to get it in GNU Emacs, you must have Stallman's
consent.  I'm prepared to apply it to XEmacs.

> + (defcustom custom-no-colors nil
> +   "Do not use colors.
> + If t, do not use any colors.")

This should probably be `custom-use-colors' with reverse semantics,
but it doesn't matter either way.

> >> Generally: the fact that it takes ten times as long to effect a
> >> change with custom than with a setq form,
> 
> Hrvoje> Custom will respect setq forms.  Custom is not defvoo(doo).
> 
> Agreed... but a dozen or more setq forms for each package that uses
> custom simply to disable colorization without disabling faces is
> still a lose.

What I meant is that, unlike defvoo, defcustom will perfectly respect
your `setq' forms.  `defface' is another matter, since it creates a
face, rather than a variable.

> >> the fact that it does some annoying things to an existing .emacs
> 
> Hrvoje> Only if you use customize, and explicitely choose `Save for
> Hrvoje> future sessions' button.
> 
> Apart from testing purposes, who would do this?

If you don't do this, Customize will not change your `.emacs'.

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