Re: Please unbundle the custom and widget libraries from qgnus.

[Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> Hrvoje> It makes it harder to use, maybe.  Anyway, you mentioned
> Hrvoje> Erik as an example -- but Erik *is* the one who calls out to
> Hrvoje> everyone to switch to 20.1.  Even with MULE, it's still
> Hrvoje> better than 19.34.  One of the reasons why it's better
> Hrvoje> (according to Erik) is Custom.
> 
> Another one is that it reduces duplicated effort on the development
> front.

True.  But he *does* encourage people to upgrade to 20.1.  So you
cannot use him as a promotor of not doing it.

> The fewer versions of GNU (X)Emacs that are actively supported, the
> easier it is on the developers.  But remember that Erik is also in
> the planning stages of both a GNU Emacs 19.35 release as well as an
> ambitious YAGE project, at least partially because of MULE and the
> stance RMS has taken on it.

Ha!  I'd bet Mule is just the immediate excuse.  In many XEmacs
flamewars Erik has been explaining that he had no problems whatsoever
cooperating with Stallman.  It would be too much to admit that he
doesn't like Stallman's way of handling things.  So he says he doesn't 
like MULE.  As if there weren't many patches that Stallman rejected
because he "didn't like them".

> But this brings up *my* reasons for not "upgrading" from GNU Emacs
> 19.34: code bloat.  Both GNU Emacs 20 and all versions of XEmacs
> have a lot of code dedicated to features for which I have no use,
> "features" I cannot entirely disable at compile time.

This is a good reason not to upgrade.  You could say the same for
Emacs 18.59, for instance -- and you would be equally justified.  But
you must not expect the package developers, and the rest of the users, 
to follow your reasonings.

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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