Default values

Default values

[Andy Eskilsson]

Gnus is a bit inconsistent regarding default values.. 

for example when outputting to file, the prompt looks something like:

Save this article in mail file : (default comp.lang.python) 
   Here I am -----------------------------------------------^

But when using nnweb I get asked something like:

Search Engine type: Altavista
 And here ----------^

I would preferr something like 

Search Engine type (altavista): 
  and now gnus waits here ------^

Though, I believe thet the search string in nnweb should appear on the
input-line.. uhmm.. :-)

	/Andy

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Re: Default values

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Andy Eskilsson <flognat@fukt.hk-r.se> writes:

> But when using nnweb I get asked something like:
> 
> Search Engine type: Altavista
>  And here ----------^
> 
> I would preferr something like 
> 
> Search Engine type (altavista): 
>   and now gnus waits here ------^

The advantage of the former method is that you just press `C-k' if you
don't want the default.  And if you almost want it, but just want to
edit it slightly, you can, but you can't with the latter.

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Re: Default values

[Andy Eskilsson]

/ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
| 
| The advantage of the former method is that you just press `C-k' if you
| don't want the default.  And if you almost want it, but just want to
| edit it slightly, you can, but you can't with the latter.

Yep the problem is.. I don't slightly want to modify the search
engine! Either I want it, or I choose another one.

For the search string I agree.. 

	/Andy
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Re: Default values

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Andy Eskilsson <flognat@fukt.hk-r.se> writes:

> Yep the problem is.. I don't slightly want to modify the search
> engine! Either I want it, or I choose another one.

That's true.  Fix in Gnus v5.4.57.

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Re: Default values

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Andy Eskilsson <flognat@fukt.hk-r.se> writes:
> 
> > But when using nnweb I get asked something like:
> > 
> > Search Engine type: Altavista
> >  And here ----------^
> > 
> > I would preferr something like 
> > 
> > Search Engine type (altavista): 
> >   and now gnus waits here ------^
> 
> The advantage of the former method is that you just press `C-k' if you
> don't want the default.

And with the latter method you don't even need to press `C-k'. :-)

> And if you almost want it, but just want to
> edit it slightly, you can, but you can't with the latter.

I don't see why I would ever want to "edit slightly" the string
"Altavista".

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Re: Default values

[Paul Franklin]

>>>>> Andy Eskilsson writes:

 > Gnus is a bit inconsistent regarding default values.. 

 > for example when outputting to file, the prompt looks something like:

 > Save this article in mail file : (default comp.lang.python) 
 >    Here I am -----------------------------------------------^

There are lots of prompts such as this one where I would prefer to be
able to edit the default.  The one I use frequently is
gnus-summary-move-article.  (Splitting isn't perfect.)

If I just use the default, the empty response gets placed in the
corresponding minibuffer history, which often ends up looking like
	10	nnml:-mail.work
	11
	12	nnml:-uw.cs.proj
	13
	14	nnml:-mail.junk
Moreover, having the default as part of the minibuffer prompt often
makes the minibuffer wrap if I supply my own argument.  And like Lars
says, you can always use C-k to kill the supplied default.

What do other people think?  If folks like this, I'll add it to my
list of patches I need to implement and send to Lars.  :)

--Paul

Re: Default values

[Per Abrahamsen]

Paul Franklin <paul@cs.washington.edu> writes:

> There are lots of prompts such as this one where I would prefer to be
> able to edit the default.  

In Emacs 19.35/20.1, `down' at end of history is the recommended user
interface for putting the default value in the minibuffer.  I'm not
sure what the lisp interface for this is.