Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Kim-Minh Kaplan]

Argl, Lars I see you switched to using CVS !  Please make your patches
using cvs rdiff instead of cvs diff.  This latest patch is near
unusable: each patch does not have the proper path advertised !

And please repost the corrected patch.

Kim-Minh.

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kim-Minh Kaplan <KimMinh.Kaplan@utopia.eunet.fr> writes:

> Argl, Lars I see you switched to using CVS !

Well, I've been using CVS for quite some time.  The reason for last
night's semi-botched patch was a script problem.  The next patch will
go back to being a normal, non-CVS patch.

> This latest patch is near unusable: each patch does not have the
> proper path advertised !

Just apply it from within the qgnus directory.  Worked for me.

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Kim-Minh Kaplan]

>>>>> On October  4, 1997, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen said:

Lars> Just apply it from within the qgnus directory.  Worked for me.

Right, except for the texi/Makefile, and also the todo which did not
exist previously...  Could you give us the full text for it ?

Kim-Minh.

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kim-Minh Kaplan <KimMinh.Kaplan@utopia.eunet.fr> writes:

> Right, except for the texi/Makefile, and also the todo which did not
> exist previously...  Could you give us the full text for it ?

Perhaps.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bug fixes and stuff.

Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
"/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".  The patch is available as
<URL:http://www.gnus.org/patches/qgnus-0.11-0.12.diff.gz>.

ChangeLog since last release:

Sat Oct  4 00:53:55 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@menja.ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus.el: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released.

Sat Oct  4 00:16:39 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus.el (gnus-plugged): Moved here.

	* nnmail.el (nnmail-delete-incoming): Changed default to nil.

	* gnus-int.el (gnus-request-scan): Don't do anything if
	unplugged. 

Fri Oct  3 21:09:19 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus-art.el (gnus-ignored-headers): Doc fix.

	* gnus-demon.el (gnus-demon-add-nntp-close-connection): New
	function. 
	(gnus-demon-nntp-close-connection): Ditto.

	* nntp.el (nntp-last-command-time): New variable.
	(nntp-retrieve-data): Use it.

	* message.el (message-news-p): Messages with Posted-To aren't
	news. 
	(message-mode): Heed message-yank-prefix when filling.

	* nndraft.el (nndraft-request-restore-buffer): Remove Xrefs and
	Lines headers.

	* nntp.el (nntp-encode-text): Encode according to RFC977.

Wed Oct  1 18:27:26 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus-msg.el (gnus-inews-insert-archive-gcc): gcc-self didn't
	work if `gnus-message-archive-method' was nil.

	* nnmail.el (nnmail-article-group): Allow \\1 substitution.

Sat Sep 27 12:57:44 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus-salt.el (gnus-pick-mouse-pick-region): Use it.

	* gnus-xmas.el (gnus-xmas-window-edges): New function.

	* gnus-score.el (gnus-score-edit-current-scores): Don't select
	window. 

Sat Sep 27 12:52:31 1997  Hallvard B. Furuseth  <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no>

	* messcompat.el ((boundp 'mail-mode-hook)): Check.

Sat Sep 27 09:22:15 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* nndraft.el (nndraft-possibly-change-group): Always open server.

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-pop-article): Force.

	* gnus-art.el (gnus-article-prepare): Push the article onto the
	history. 

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-pop-article): Pop to the right
	article. 

	* gnus-demon.el (gnus-demon-scan-news): Save excursion.

Sat Sep 27 09:06:55 1997  Hallvard B. Furuseth  <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no>

	* gnus-cache.el (gnus-summary-limit-include-cached): New command
	and keystroke.

Sat Sep 27 06:45:58 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus-uu.el (gnus-uu-invert-processable): Make interactive.

Sat Sep 27 06:43:38 1997  Kim-Minh Kaplan  <kimminh.kaplan@utopia.eunet.fr>

	* gnus-picon.el: Doc fixes.

1997-09-23  Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr>

	* gnus.el: Removed definition of `custom-face-lookup'.

Sat Sep 27 05:36:11 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* nndraft.el: Would block nnmh.

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-mark-article-as-unread): Don't allow marking
	negative articles.

	* gnus-group.el (gnus-fetch-group): Use `gnus-no-server'.

	* gnus-agent.el (gnus-agent-with-fetch): Moved.

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-nov-read-integer): Really skip to next field.



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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Matt Simmons]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> 	* gnus-int.el (gnus-request-scan): Don't do anything if
> 	unplugged. 
This wasn't very nice - I run a cron job at 4:30am each weekday to get 
the mail and inc it (in disconnected mode) later on the El on my way
to work.  This patch seems to mean that I'll have to put Gnus in
disconnected mode and manually deny the NNTP server before incing my
mail spool files.  Is there an easier way to do it?

Matt

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Paul Franklin]

>>>>> Matt Simmons writes:

 > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
 >> 	* gnus-int.el (gnus-request-scan): Don't do anything if
 >> 	unplugged. 
 > This wasn't very nice - [...] Is there an easier way to do it?

Well, you could use advice to 'undo' this change.  I think more people
(me included) like the change.  If you want to give it a try, this
untested code (for .gnus) should work...

    (defadvice gnus-request-scan (around simmonmt-gnus activate)
      "Force scan even if unplugged."
      (let ((gnus-plugged t))
	ad-do-it)))

You should enable advice first (I do this in .emacs) ...

	(setq ad-activate-on-definition t)
	(if (fboundp 'ad-start-advice)  ;appeared in 19.29?
	    (ad-start-advice))

--Paul

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:

> > 	* gnus-int.el (gnus-request-scan): Don't do anything if
> > 	unplugged. 
> This wasn't very nice - I run a cron job at 4:30am each weekday to get 
> the mail and inc it (in disconnected mode) later on the El on my way
> to work.  This patch seems to mean that I'll have to put Gnus in
> disconnected mode and manually deny the NNTP server before incing my
> mail spool files.  Is there an easier way to do it?

Sure.  Just call `nnml-request-scan' (or whatever) directly.  

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Matt Simmons]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:
> > > 	* gnus-int.el (gnus-request-scan): Don't do anything if
> > > 	unplugged. 
> > This wasn't very nice - I run a cron job at 4:30am each weekday to get 
> > the mail and inc it (in disconnected mode) later on the El on my way
> > to work.  This patch seems to mean that I'll have to put Gnus in
> > disconnected mode and manually deny the NNTP server before incing my
> > mail spool files.  Is there an easier way to do it?
> Sure.  Just call `nnml-request-scan' (or whatever) directly.  

Wouldn't it be much more consistent if nnml were just another server,
so I could J a and J r it to my heart's content?

Matt

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:

> Wouldn't it be much more consistent if nnml were just another server,
> so I could J a and J r it to my heart's content?

Uhm.  Yes, it's a bit kludgy to totally disable `nn*-request-scan'
when unplugged, but I don't know what else to do to make `g' work
properly when unplugged.  I don't want to put nnml under control of
the agent -- that would be a complete waste of time and disk space.

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Matt Simmons]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Uhm.  Yes, it's a bit kludgy to totally disable `nn*-request-scan'
> when unplugged, but I don't know what else to do to make `g' work
> properly when unplugged.  
Why can't a check be made in the nn*-request-scan functions to see if
a) the server in question is under control of the agent and b) if the
program is plugged.  If a) is no, or if a) is no and b) is yes, allow
the fetching of mail.  I would imagine that this check could be done
in gnus-request-scan, couldn't it?

> I don't want to put nnml under control of
> the agent -- that would be a complete waste of time and disk space.
Why not?  If nothing else, it would provide consistency.  That said,
it's already under control of the agent - I want to be able to remove
said control.

I can't be the only one who fetchmails his mail, disconnects, and incs
it while disconnected.  I have complete control over mail outside of
nnml: fetchmail gets it, and sendmail takes care of queueing it until
I connect again.  I want to be able to tell Gnus that it should inc
mail whenever I hit `gnus-group-get-new-news' and that it should
always pass mail along to sendmail when I'm done with a message.

Matt

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Matt Simmons <simmonmt@acm.org> writes:

> > I don't want to put nnml under control of
> > the agent -- that would be a complete waste of time and disk space.
> Why not?  If nothing else, it would provide consistency.

It would be consistent; it just wouldn't be very nice.

> I can't be the only one who fetchmails his mail, disconnects, and incs
> it while disconnected.  I have complete control over mail outside of
> nnml: fetchmail gets it, and sendmail takes care of queueing it until
> I connect again.  I want to be able to tell Gnus that it should inc
> mail whenever I hit `gnus-group-get-new-news' and that it should
> always pass mail along to sendmail when I'm done with a message.

You're probably not the only one, but I don't think this is the usual
mode of operations.  I'd suggest sticking `nnml-request-scan' in a
hook run off of `gnus-group-get-new-news'.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Norman Walsh]

I have NTemacs 19.34.6.  I downloaded qgnus 0.12, copied the
cus*.el and wid*.el stuff from custom-1.9960 into the lisp
directory and ran make.

Next I adjusted my load path to include qgnus 0.12 deleted (er,
moved) .news* and .gnus*, and moved Mail.

Finally, I created .gnus.el containing only

  (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.berkshire.net"))

quit and restarted emacs.

When I start gnus, it prints "gnus-start...done" in the
minibuffer and hangs.  If I hit ^G a bunch of times, something
about "gnus-group" flashes by in the minibuffer, and I regain
control of emacs, but nothing ever comes of gnus (the splash
screen doesn't even go away).

Thoughts?

--norm

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Norman Walsh <nwalsh@arbortext.com> writes:

> Finally, I created .gnus.el containing only
> 
>   (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.berkshire.net"))
> 
> quit and restarted emacs.
> 
> When I start gnus, it prints "gnus-start...done" in the
> minibuffer and hangs.  If I hit ^G a bunch of times, something
> about "gnus-group" flashes by in the minibuffer, and I regain
> control of emacs, but nothing ever comes of gnus (the splash
> screen doesn't even go away).

Try to `(setq debug-on-quit t)' and then `C-g' when it hangs.  Mail me
the resulting backtrace.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Leonard Blanks]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

 Lars> 1997-09-23  Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr>

 Lars> 	* gnus.el: Removed definition of `custom-face-lookup'.

A rewrite of the following example in gnus.texi is necessary. 

,-----
| @vindex gnus-group-highlight
| Highlighting in the group buffer is controlled by the
| @code{gnus-group-highlight} variable.  This is an alist with elements
| that look like @var{(form . face)}.  If @var{form} evaluates to
| something non-@code{nil}, the @var{face} will be used on the line.
| 	   
| Here's an example value for this variable that might look nice if the
| background is dark:
| 	   
| @lisp	 
| (setq gnus-group-highlight
| 	`(((> unread 200) . 
| 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "Red" nil nil t nil nil))
| 	  ((and (< level 3) (zerop unread)) . 
| 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SeaGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
| 	  ((< level 3) . 
| 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SpringGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
| 	  ((zerop unread) . 
| 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SteelBlue" nil nil t nil nil))
| 	  (t . 
| 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SkyBlue" nil nil t nil nil))))
| @end lisp
`-----

-- 
Len

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.12 is released

[Per Abrahamsen]

Leonard Blanks <ltb@haruspex.demon.co.uk> writes:

> | (setq gnus-group-highlight
> | 	`(((> unread 200) . 
> | 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "Red" nil nil t nil nil))
> | 	  ((and (< level 3) (zerop unread)) . 
> | 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SeaGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
> | 	  ((< level 3) . 
> | 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SpringGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
> | 	  ((zerop unread) . 
> | 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SteelBlue" nil nil t nil nil))
> | 	  (t . 
> | 	   ,(custom-face-lookup "SkyBlue" nil nil t nil nil))))

Here is an -- mostly untested -- translation to `face-spec-set':

(face-spec-set 'my-group-face-1 '((t (:foreground "Red" :bold t))))
(face-spec-set 'my-group-face-2 '((t (:foreground "SeaGreen" :bold t))))
(face-spec-set 'my-group-face-3 '((t (:foreground "SpringGreen" :bold t))))
(face-spec-set 'my-group-face-4 '((t (:foreground "SteelBlue" :bold t))))
(face-spec-set 'my-group-face-5 '((t (:foreground "SkyBlue" :bold t))))

(setq gnus-group-highlight
      '(((> unread 200) . my-group-face-1)
	((and (< level 3) (zerop unread)) . my-group-face-2)
	((< level 3) . my-group-face-3)
	((zerop unread) . my-group-face-4)
	(t . my-group-face-5)))