From: Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:55:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2y67sraxk.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3sjy1d4ak.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:29:55 +0100")
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes:
>
>> I don't think assistants is a good solution. That would just hide a
>> complexity. But things should not be complex.
>
> They shouldn't, but sometimes they are... That is, it's more pleasant
> for the user if we query the user instead of making a wrong guess, in
> general.
>
>>> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "imap.gmail.com"))
>>
>> FWIW, it took me several weeks until I understand what was the
>> differences between gnus-select-method and
>> gnus-secondary-select-methods. That could be a starting point.
>
> After the `g' rework, the only difference real is in the group name.
> That is, the primary method groups don't have prefixed names, while the
> rest do. We could hide that by not displaying the prefixes (by default)
> in the group buffer, but it's a leaky thing... and doing a total rework
> here is ... eh... Kinda a lot of work.
>
> But we could recommend doing stuff like
>
> (gnus-add-method '(nnimap "imap.gmail.com"))
> (gnus-add-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))
>
> instead of exposing the primary/secondary stuff directly. I mean, if we
> just drop the idea of a primary method altogether, and just say that
> they're all secondary, then everything is fine. Except for the long,
> prefixed group names...
+1000000
This is the first thing I found weird, hard to understand (I think I'm
still missing things), no intuitive in Gnus.
If I remember correctly, groups from primary server are displayed with
prefix where as secondary groups are not.
For me (as a user), that doesn't seem to be a big deal but since Gnus
offering primary and secondary server, there must be something else
very important I was missing.
Something I found later, IIRC, is that secondary servers can be changed
easily where as changing the primary one is hard, but I'm not sure.
I don't think the differences are really explained in the info pages and
I believe it gives a really bad feeling for the first Gnus experience.
--
Francis
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Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-13 16:10 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 16:15 ` Julien Danjou
2010-12-13 16:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 16:44 ` Julien Danjou
2010-12-13 16:52 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 17:33 ` Julien Danjou
2010-12-13 19:07 ` Getting rid of the primary/secondary distinction (was: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-14 10:06 ` Getting rid of the primary/secondary distinction Julien Danjou
2010-12-15 19:44 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-15 15:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-15 19:42 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-15 20:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-15 21:17 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2010-12-15 21:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-15 21:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-15 21:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-16 18:08 ` Adam Sjøgren
2010-12-15 20:29 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-15 20:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-15 21:05 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-15 21:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-16 13:21 ` Andy Moreton
2010-12-16 16:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-13 19:55 ` Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Dan Christensen
2010-12-13 20:22 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-15 15:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-13 20:23 ` Adam Sjøgren
2010-12-13 20:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 20:47 ` Adam Sjøgren
2010-12-13 17:02 ` Adam Sjøgren
2010-12-13 17:05 ` Adam Sjøgren
2010-12-13 17:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 17:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 19:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-15 15:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-15 20:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-15 15:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-13 19:16 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-13 20:24 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-14 8:07 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-14 9:54 ` Julien Danjou
2010-12-14 10:20 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-14 10:34 ` Julien Danjou
2010-12-14 11:07 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2010-12-15 15:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-15 20:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-15 20:57 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-15 21:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-16 16:22 ` Poll time: Topics should default to on or off? (was: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-16 16:28 ` Poll time: Topics should default to on or off? Julien Danjou
2010-12-16 17:30 ` David Edmondson
2010-12-16 19:46 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-16 20:12 ` Richard Riley
2010-12-16 20:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-16 20:53 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-16 21:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-16 21:20 ` Adam Sjøgren
2010-12-16 21:27 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2010-12-17 2:15 ` jidanni
2010-12-17 10:32 ` Richard Riley
2010-12-17 14:13 ` changes to spam.el (was: Poll time: Topics should default to on or off?) Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-16 22:52 ` Poll time: Topics should default to on or off? Greg Troxel
2010-12-18 20:41 ` Reiner Steib
2010-12-18 21:40 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-19 14:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-19 15:44 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-19 22:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-01-22 3:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-24 17:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-01-24 18:24 ` Robert Pluim
2011-01-24 22:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-24 22:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-01-24 22:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-25 17:01 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-01-25 22:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-26 16:57 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-01-26 22:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-27 19:38 ` how to start clean Gnus (was: Poll time: Topics should default to on or off?) Ted Zlatanov
2011-01-27 23:59 ` how to start clean Gnus Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-28 7:39 ` Reiner Steib
2011-01-28 15:41 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-21 20:53 ` Poll time: Topics should default to on or off? Steven E. Harris
2010-12-21 21:14 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-22 23:10 ` Steven E. Harris
2010-12-23 8:08 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-23 12:53 ` Matt Lundin
2010-12-23 13:14 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-23 19:22 ` Steinar Bang
2011-01-19 22:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-01-02 6:31 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-03 6:53 ` Steinar Bang
2011-01-04 0:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-01-04 9:09 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-15 20:03 ` Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 21:26 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2010-12-13 21:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-13 22:23 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2010-12-15 15:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-14 8:55 ` Francis Moreau [this message]
2010-12-16 18:17 ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-02-15 21:04 ` Unmark old messages Johnny
2011-02-15 21:17 ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-02-15 21:39 ` Johnny
2011-02-15 21:58 ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-02-15 22:28 ` Johnny
2011-02-15 22:47 ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-02-15 23:11 ` Johnny
2010-12-15 15:50 ` Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-16 13:22 ` Ludovic Courtès
2010-12-16 16:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-17 16:17 ` Ludovic Courtès
2010-12-17 16:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-18 21:01 ` Reiner Steib
2010-12-18 23:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-14 10:21 ` Richard Riley
2010-12-14 1:49 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2010-12-14 8:39 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-15 20:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-16 4:00 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2010-12-16 9:21 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-17 2:49 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2010-12-17 13:42 ` Steinar Bang
2010-12-17 14:54 ` Bjørn Mork
2010-12-17 15:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-12-16 16:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-17 2:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2010-12-17 16:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-14 10:20 ` Richard Riley
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