From: Jack Twilley <jmt+usenet@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Once again: PGnus & PGP
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:44:21 GMT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m37lrho9ga.fsf@duchess.3b2.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1baewdshlg.fsf@blackbird.mitre.org>
>>>>> "David" == David S Goldberg <dsg@mitre.org> writes:
Jack> Again, my issue with this is this whole "raw contents" part.
David> Huh? Just what did you think the signature was based on?
David> If/when pgnus does pgp/mime natively, it's going to have to
David> work on the raw contents since that's what's been signed.
David> Or do I misunderstand your objection?
My objection is to the definition of the term. I tried to extract the
entire "raw contents" using standard MIME tools, and I failed to
extract anything that could be successfully verified by the
signature. Therefore, "raw contents" is too nebulous for me to even
begin to implement the verification process.
Jack> Sounds like it'd be easier to just do it the Right Way
Jack> instead of faking it.
David> According to the pgp/mime draft[1] that is the "Right
David> Way"[2] to deal with pgp/mime. That some mail systems do
David> it more transparently than others is strictly a matter of
David> implementation. If you use an older version of gnus with
David> tm, it works just fine.
I'm saying that the Right Way is the way Rat and others do it, and
that this PGP/MIME hooey is Stupid Evil. PGP/MIME is the Wrong Way,
by virtue of the stuff I did above. If I sign a message the way Rat
and others do it (if there's a better name for the standard, let me
know), then I can verify it easily whether I'm using Gnus or
hotmail.com or anything at all. This stuff, I can't do by hand.
Jack.
(the Ratstandard?)
--
Jack Twilley
jmt@nycap.rr.com
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~1999-04-12 20:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-04-07 14:10 Stefanie Teufel
1999-04-07 14:33 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-04-07 16:30 ` Stefanie Teufel
1999-04-07 19:32 ` Jack Twilley
1999-04-07 21:01 ` Stefanie Teufel
1999-04-08 0:54 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-08 15:55 ` Jack Twilley
1999-04-08 19:38 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-09 4:58 ` Jack Twilley
[not found] ` <m3zp4imat6.fsf@tank.worldcom.nl>
[not found] ` <tank@xs4all.nl>
1999-04-10 0:17 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-10 12:57 ` Jack Twilley
1999-04-10 22:14 ` Carey Evans
1999-04-12 2:28 ` Jack Twilley
1999-04-12 7:18 ` Carey Evans
1999-04-12 15:49 ` Jack Twilley
1999-04-12 16:57 ` David S. Goldberg
1999-04-12 19:47 ` Carey Evans
1999-04-12 20:05 ` Jack Twilley
1999-04-12 20:34 ` David S. Goldberg
1999-04-12 20:44 ` Jack Twilley [this message]
1999-04-12 21:03 ` Stefanie Teufel
1999-04-12 23:51 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-13 0:36 ` Russ Allbery
1999-04-13 0:57 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-13 7:54 ` Russ Allbery
1999-04-20 10:49 ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1999-04-20 13:40 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-20 20:30 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-04-20 23:58 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-21 7:20 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-04-21 11:32 ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1999-04-21 14:29 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-21 15:49 ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1999-04-21 17:57 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-21 18:03 ` Samuel Tardieu
1999-04-12 21:47 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-20 10:28 ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1999-04-11 13:41 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-11 14:27 ` Stefanie Teufel
1999-04-11 17:41 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-17 7:49 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-04-17 10:37 ` Stefanie Teufel
1999-04-17 15:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-04-17 15:53 ` William M. Perry
1999-04-18 10:47 ` Stefanie Teufel
1999-04-17 12:16 ` William M. Perry
1999-04-17 13:32 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-04-17 14:50 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-04-17 15:52 ` William M. Perry
1999-04-17 16:12 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-04-17 15:52 ` William M. Perry
1999-04-17 15:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-04-12 2:16 ` Jack Twilley
1999-04-12 17:52 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-20 10:24 ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1999-04-20 13:36 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-04-21 20:26 ` Russ Allbery
1999-04-07 21:07 ` Jes Sorensen
1999-04-07 22:01 ` François Pinard
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