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From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Python Emacs (was Re: The <word>.<word>.<word> rule)
Date: 17 May 2000 21:25:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3aehosl8e.fsf@peorth.rgo.gweep.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Brian Edmonds's message of "17 May 2000 14:04:08 -0700"

* Brian Edmonds <brian@gweep.bc.ca>  on Wed, 17 May 2000
| Or there are some of us who think C++ sucks, but have serious trouble
| thinking in Lisp.  Learning Perl was a no-brainer for me, but every time
| I go to hack anything more difficult than a setq in my Emacs config I'm
| tearing my hair out.  For whatever it's worth my brain just doesn't work
| in the Lisp way.

My guess is that you are attempting to "translate" Lisp into something you
are familiar with.  This is bad for natural languages, and it is bad for
Lisp.  The mark of well-written Lisp is that you can read it almost like a
natural language.  In other words, when you see

	(+ 1 2 3 4)

You are consciously translating it into something like

	one plus two plus three plus four

Of course you have trouble; you are making it more complex than it is.
Instead, try reading it as

	add one, two, three, four

Once you can do that, parentheses become useful punctuation, just as they
are with complex algebraic notation.  Lisp works that way becuause it is a
functional language.  Everything in Lisp is a function of one sort or
another, from the simplest setq to the most complex lambda (now, some of
those give *me* a headache, but I've never laid claim to programming
godhead :).
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-05-18  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-05-11 10:24 The <word>.<word>.<word> rule Per Abrahamsen
2000-05-12 11:50 ` Hrvoje Niksic
2000-05-12 12:57   ` Stein A. Strømme
2000-05-12 15:16     ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-12 15:47       ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-12 19:58         ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-14 19:17           ` Karl Kleinpaste
2000-05-14 19:30             ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-14 19:35               ` Karl Kleinpaste
2000-05-14 19:46                 ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-14 20:29                   ` Karl Kleinpaste
2000-05-14 20:46                     ` Bruce Stephens
2000-05-15 13:03                       ` Karl Kleinpaste
2000-05-15 13:51                         ` Toby Speight
2000-05-15 14:00                           ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-14 21:30                     ` naked URLs -- a little data (Re: The <word>.<word>.<word> rule) Karl Kleinpaste
2000-05-15  7:06                       ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-15 12:02                     ` The <word>.<word>.<word> rule Miroslav Zubcic
2000-05-15 12:37                       ` Karl Kleinpaste
2000-05-15 23:14                         ` Miroslav Zubcic
2000-05-16  7:29                           ` Hrvoje Niksic
2000-05-16 11:58                             ` François Pinard
2000-05-17  8:28                               ` Python Emacs (was Re: The <word>.<word>.<word> rule) Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-17 20:06                                 ` François Pinard
2000-05-17 20:27                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-17 20:37                                     ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-17 21:04                                       ` Brian Edmonds
2000-05-18  1:25                                         ` Stainless Steel Rat [this message]
2000-05-18 23:18                                         ` Russ Allbery
2000-05-18 20:48                                       ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-19 14:42                                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-20 20:35                                           ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-20 22:43                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-21 19:06                                               ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-22 12:05                                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2000-05-23  0:12                                               ` Hal Snyder
     [not found]                                                 ` <m3g0raulgw.fsf@peorth.rgo.gweep.net>
2000-05-23  1:16                                                   ` Eric S. Johansson
2000-05-23  1:29                                                     ` Lloyd Zusman
2000-05-23  1:44                                                       ` real programmers(TM) Brian May
2000-05-23  7:03                                                         ` Hrvoje Niksic
2000-05-23  7:36                                                     ` Python Emacs (was Re: The <word>.<word>.<word> rule) Luc MAZARDO
2000-05-21  4:22                                             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-21 19:07                                               ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-22 17:59                                             ` Jim Davidson
2000-05-22 19:32                                               ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-22 22:54                                               ` François Pinard
2000-05-17 20:59                                     ` François Pinard
2000-05-17 21:29                                       ` Eric S. Johansson
2000-05-17 22:15                                         ` Felix Lee
2000-05-18  6:28                                           ` Randal L. Schwartz
2000-05-18 12:22                                             ` Felix Lee
2000-05-17 22:55                                         ` Steve Harris
2000-05-18  0:10                                         ` Brian May
2000-05-18 11:56                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-18 12:27                                           ` Felix Lee
2000-05-18  9:17                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-18 11:46                                           ` getting started again was:Re: " Eric S. Johansson
2000-05-18 14:08                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-18 20:13                                               ` getting started again Eric S. Johansson
2000-05-18 21:32                                                 ` Erik Johannessen
     [not found]                                                 ` <x77lcr7deb.fsf@!  rask.void.nil>
2000-05-18 21:51                                                   ` Eric S. Johansson
2000-05-22 18:12                                                 ` Rene Matteau
2000-05-18 19:31                                         ` Python Emacs (was Re: The <word>.<word>.<word> rule) Jim Davidson
2000-05-18  8:50                                     ` Simon Josefsson
2000-05-18  9:33                                     ` Luc MAZARDO
2000-05-18 20:44                                     ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-19 10:32                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-22 12:19                                     ` Didier Verna
2000-08-12 19:55                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2000-05-15 12:52                       ` The <word>.<word>.<word> rule Jørgen Wahlberg
2000-05-15 13:32                         ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-14 20:38                   ` Karl Eichwalder
2000-05-15  5:34               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-15  6:40                 ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-15 12:25                 ` Andreas Fuchs
2000-05-14 19:32             ` Andreas Fuchs
2000-05-14 20:06             ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-16 15:38             ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
2000-05-14 19:23           ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-12 15:52     ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-12 23:06       ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-13  9:07         ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-13 12:56           ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-14 10:54           ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-14 11:43             ` Andi Hechtbauer
2000-05-14 19:25               ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-14 19:33                 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2000-05-14 19:57                   ` Felix Lee
2000-05-15 11:20                   ` Toby Speight
2000-05-14 20:54                 ` Bjørn Mork
2000-05-15  5:28                   ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-15 18:24                     ` Bjørn Mork
2000-05-15 18:38                       ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-15 18:40                       ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-15 14:11             ` New URL button rule (was: Re: The <word>.<word>.<word> rule) Per Abrahamsen
2000-05-15 14:18               ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-15 15:28               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-15 16:11                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2000-05-15 16:27                   ` Steinar Bang
2000-05-15 18:31                     ` Bjørn Mork
2000-05-15 19:58                   ` Kai Großjohann
2000-05-16  7:25                     ` Hrvoje Niksic
2000-05-16 11:08               ` Per Abrahamsen
2000-05-13  9:14         ` The <word>.<word>.<word> rule Steinar Bang
2000-05-13 10:56           ` Karl Eichwalder
2000-05-13 13:01           ` Stainless Steel Rat
2000-05-15 14:02           ` Per Abrahamsen

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