Re: Gnus v5.6.24 is released

[Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org>]

>>>>> "R" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:



R> So yes, on a 101-key keyboard, Alt and Meta are the same thing.
>> No.  On a 101 key keyboard, there is no keycap with Meta on it.

R> Yes, there is... it is called "Alt" rather than "Meta" but it
R> serves an identical purpose.

So Alt is really Meta?  It doesn't serve the same purpose.  It
generates Alt.  It doesn't generate Meta.  X may be set up to treat
the two as the same, but that's not something the keyboard has any
control of.  There are two levels here.  At the keyboard level,
there's no Meta.

>> However, one can tell X that the Meta key is anything you like.  I
>> could tell X that my Meta key is the key labeled on my keyboard
>> "Scroll Lock".

R> Of course, you would lose that key's normal function, in this case
R> XON/XOFF toggle. 

What nromal function?  It doesn't toggle XON and XOFF for me.  Not
surprisingly, because XON and XOFF don't mean anything for X.  It
toggles a nice light on my keyboard and does nothing, even in xterm.

Besides, the point was that as above, there are two different layers,
and in neither layer are Alt and Meta synonymous.  They aren't to the
keyboard, which doesn't _have_ Meta, and they aren't to X.  I just
checked and I can put Meta on keycode 57 (the right key labeled Alt on
my keyboard), remove Meta_R from mod1 and add it to mod2, and suddenly
everything treats the two differently.  Namely, Alt-Tab will do the
fun window switch, and Meta-Tab is passed to Emacs.

Hell, if I wanted to I could go adsd Super and Hyper into the mix and
map Hyper-space.

>> (Another nit: CDE and Motif are two different UI standards,
>> although I think CDE is a superset.)

R> Inasmuch as CDE uses Motif as its default window manager, this is
R> true.

Wrong.  CDE uses dtwm.  

NAME

  dtwm - The CDE Window Manager

SYNOPSIS

  [options]

DESCRIPTION

  The dtwm window manager is an X Window System window manager based
  upon the OSF/Motif window manager, mwm (version 1.2.4).  It provides
  mwm compatible window management functionality.  This includes
  functions that facilitate control (by the user and the programmer)
  of elements of window state such as placement, size, icon/normal
  display, and input-focus ownership.


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