mime problem

mime problem

[lconrad]

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Here are some of the headers of a mail that both gnus and metamail
failed to grok as the sender intended them to, in the form I received
it.  It was apparently an animated gif, before microsoft outlook,
majordomo, and whatever other mail-manglers mangled it got through
with it.  I can forward the full message if anyone is interested in
looking at it.  

I've had this problem before, and I'm not sure it's a gnus problem.
As maintainer of a majordomo mailing list, I get sent messages which
bounce because they exceed a (fairly small) length limit.  I could
send them on, but I like to look at them before I do that, and I never
seem to be able to do that.

When I get the message, I see text that looks to me like mime headers, 
but that doesn't seem to buttonize like mime headers in gnus, or to be 
decoded into separate parts by "metamail -w".  I never see anything
resembling a gif.


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From: wort-approval@world.std.com
To: wort-approval@world.std.com
Subject: BOUNCE wort@world.std.com:     Message too long (>40000 chars)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:42:52 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <200004031442.KAA14600@europe.std.com>

>From lconrad@world.std.com  Mon Apr  3 10:41:37 2000
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Reply-To: <groody@emc.com>
From: "greg roody" <groody@emc.com>
To: <wort@wort.org>
Subject: humorous
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:28:42 -0400
Message-ID: <NDBBKDEIHKKAHMOACKKGOECHDGAA.groody@emc.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BF9D57.6204A390"
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
Importance: Normal

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BF9D57.6204A390
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

this may not make it, but it's small enough to try.  
 
 6beers~(1).gif
------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BF9D57.6204A390
Content-Type: image/gif;
	name="6beers~(1).gif"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="6beers~(1).gif"


(encoded gif deleted)
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Laura (mailto:lconrad@world.std.com , http://www.world.std.com/~lconrad/ )
(617) 661-8097	fax: (801) 365-6574 
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Re: mime problem

[Kai Großjohann]

lconrad@world.std.com writes:

> Content-Type: image/gif;
> 	name="6beers~(1).gif"

I think Gnus has problems with file names such as this one.

Maybe it should just convert the strange name to a sane one before
using it?  And why does it save the file to the name given even if
it's only for display?

kai
-- 
~/.signature: No such file or directory

Re: mime problem

[Alan Shutko]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> lconrad@world.std.com writes:
> 
> > Content-Type: image/gif;
> > 	name="6beers~(1).gif"
> 
> I think Gnus has problems with file names such as this one.

Really?  I thought it would be the lack of MIME headers in the
majordomo bounce.  The message doesn't look like a MIME message to
Gnus or metamail, so it's not going to extract any of the parts.

-- 
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Re: mime problem

[Kai Großjohann]

lconrad@world.std.com writes:

> When I get the message, I see text that looks to me like mime headers, 
> but that doesn't seem to buttonize like mime headers in gnus, or to be 
> decoded into separate parts by "metamail -w".  I never see anything
> resembling a gif.

Right.  Hm.  Could a digest type be added to nndoc for this kind of
thing?  That would be cool.

Try typing `A D' (or C-d?) on the message and have a look at the
central part.  Maybe if nndoc grokked that, too, it would be really
useful? 

kai
-- 
~/.signature: No such file or directory

Re: mime problem

[Kai Großjohann]

Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> writes:

> Really?  I thought it would be the lack of MIME headers in the
> majordomo bounce.

Argh.  Of course, you're right.

kai
-- 
~/.signature: No such file or directory

Re: mime problem

[Laura Conrad]

>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

    Kai> Try typing `A D' (or C-d?) on the message and have a look at the
    Kai> central part.  Maybe if nndoc grokked that, too, it would be really
    Kai> useful? 

I get error messages when I do either of those things.  Here's the
recent messages; the actual message that appears before the "No
articles..." message also says "Couldn't request group:".

Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first):

No articles in group nnml+private:misc-4838
Opening nndoc server on nndoc:nnml+private:misc-4838-ephemeral...

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Re: mime problem

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Try typing `A D' (or C-d?) on the message and have a look at the
> central part.  Maybe if nndoc grokked that, too, it would be really
> useful? 

nndoc could try to grok non-MIME mail bounces, but it would be
guesswork.  Some of those bounces are really difficult to figure out.

It would be nice if there was a function (kinda along the lines mm-uu) 
that goes through the bounced message, tries to guess at what's the
bounced message, and then return a list of MIME handles for Gnus to
process.  That would be helpful...

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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen