nnmaildir, expiry problem

nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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I am not sure if I am doing something wrong, but I have use nnmaildir as
Maildrop filters my mail prior to gnus getting it's hands on it.

I get a couple of large mailing lists in and I have noticed that even
though I have set a group expiry for them:

(setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
   (lambda (group)
   (cond ((string= group "mail.private")
          31)
         ((string= group "suse")
         1)
         ((string= group "cicq")
         1)
....

That when gnus leaves the group, nothing gets expired. SOme of the mail
is almost a week old.

What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
nnmaildir.

Sean
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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:

>    (cond ((string= group "mail.private")

Are you sure the group name is "mail.private" and not, say,
"nnmaildir:mail.private"?  I think you are using the right group
name, but I'm not sure.

(A simple invocation of message in that function should tell the
story.  Or M-x debug-on-entry RET.)

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Kai on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 wrote:
> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
> 
>>    (cond ((string= group "mail.private")
> 
> Are you sure the group name is "mail.private" and not, say,
> "nnmaildir:mail.private"?  I think you are using the right group
> name, but I'm not sure.
> 
> (A simple invocation of message in that function should tell the
> story.  Or M-x debug-on-entry RET.)
> 

Okay, I have to admit that I possibly read the info on setting group
expiries wrong, I thought it mean't you only needed to use the dir name
and not the full nnmaildir:....:maildir

Will try that now.

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Kai on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 wrote:
> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:
> 
>>    (cond ((string= group "mail.private")
> 
> Are you sure the group name is "mail.private" and not, say,
> "nnmaildir:mail.private"?  I think you are using the right group
> name, but I'm not sure.
> 
> (A simple invocation of message in that function should tell the
> story.  Or M-x debug-on-entry RET.)
> 

Okay, I have to admit that I possibly read the info on setting group
expiries wrong, I thought it mean't you only needed to use the dir name
and not the full nnmaildir:....:maildir

Will try that now.

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> writes:

>    (cond ((string= group "mail.private")

Are you sure the group name is "mail.private" and not, say,
"nnmaildir:mail.private"?  I think you are using the right group
name, but I'm not sure.

(A simple invocation of message in that function should tell the
story.  Or M-x debug-on-entry RET.)

kai
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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Paul Jarc]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
> (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
...
> What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
> nnmaildir.

You can, but nnmaildir doesn't look at nnmail-* unless you tell it to
(via the group parameters that nnmaildir *does* look at).  nnmaildir
is Different.

(add-to-list 'gnus-parameters
             '("" (expire-age . [(your-expire-age-function)])))
(defun your-expire-age-function ()
  (if nnmail-expiry-wait-function
      (* 86400 ;; seconds per day
         (nnmail-expiry-wait-function
           (gnus-group-real-name gnus-newsgroup-name)))
    nnmail-expiry-wait))

I'll see how much it would impact the existing nnmaildir code to make
this the default when the expire-age parameter is not set, so you
could pretend nnmaildir looks directly at nnmail-*.

See <URL:http://multivac.cwru.edu./nnmaildir/using/#group-setup>,
which I really ought to add to the Gnus manual soon.


paul

cvs commit stalling (was: nnmaildir, expiry problem)

[Paul Jarc]

I wrote:
> I'll see how much it would impact the existing nnmaildir code to make
> this the default when the expire-age parameter is not set, so you
> could pretend nnmaildir looks directly at nnmail-*.

I've done this, but my cvs commit can't get a lock:
cvs server: [20:02:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:02:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:03:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:03:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:04:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:04:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:05:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:05:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:06:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:06:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp

Can anyone fix this?


paul

cvs commit stalling (was: nnmaildir, expiry problem)

[Paul Jarc]

I wrote:
> I'll see how much it would impact the existing nnmaildir code to make
> this the default when the expire-age parameter is not set, so you
> could pretend nnmaildir looks directly at nnmail-*.

I've done this, but my cvs commit can't get a lock:
cvs server: [20:02:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:02:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:03:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:03:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:04:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:04:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:05:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:05:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:06:21] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp
cvs server: [20:06:51] waiting for cvs's lock in /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp

Can anyone fix this?


paul

Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Paul Jarc thusly discussed the words of the
Internet Oracle:

> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
>> (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
> ...
>> What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
>> nnmaildir.
> 
> You can, but nnmaildir doesn't look at nnmail-* unless you tell it to
> (via the group parameters that nnmaildir *does* look at).  nnmaildir
> is Different.
> 
> (add-to-list 'gnus-parameters
>              '("" (expire-age . [(your-expire-age-function)])))
> (defun your-expire-age-function ()
>   (if nnmail-expiry-wait-function
>       (* 86400 ;; seconds per day
>          (nnmail-expiry-wait-function
>            (gnus-group-real-name gnus-newsgroup-name)))
>     nnmail-expiry-wait))
> 
> I'll see how much it would impact the existing nnmaildir code to make
> this the default when the expire-age parameter is not set, so you
> could pretend nnmaildir looks directly at nnmail-*.
> 

I will try both yours and Kai's suggestions and see what the outcome is
:)

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Paul Jarc thusly discussed the words of the
Internet Oracle:

> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
>> (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
> ...
>> What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
>> nnmaildir.
> 
> You can, but nnmaildir doesn't look at nnmail-* unless you tell it to
> (via the group parameters that nnmaildir *does* look at).  nnmaildir
> is Different.
> 
> (add-to-list 'gnus-parameters
>              '("" (expire-age . [(your-expire-age-function)])))
> (defun your-expire-age-function ()
>   (if nnmail-expiry-wait-function
>       (* 86400 ;; seconds per day
>          (nnmail-expiry-wait-function
>            (gnus-group-real-name gnus-newsgroup-name)))
>     nnmail-expiry-wait))
> 
> I'll see how much it would impact the existing nnmaildir code to make
> this the default when the expire-age parameter is not set, so you
> could pretend nnmaildir looks directly at nnmail-*.
> 

I will try both yours and Kai's suggestions and see what the outcome is
:)

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Paul Jarc on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 wrote:
> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
>> (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
> ...
>> What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
>> nnmaildir.
> 
> You can, but nnmaildir doesn't look at nnmail-* unless you tell it to
> (via the group parameters that nnmaildir *does* look at).  nnmaildir
> is Different.
> 

What are the nnmaildir group settings that you can use to set the expiry
wait for groups. I cannot find it in the el file.

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Paul Jarc on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 wrote:
> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
>> (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
> ...
>> What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
>> nnmaildir.
> 
> You can, but nnmaildir doesn't look at nnmail-* unless you tell it to
> (via the group parameters that nnmaildir *does* look at).  nnmaildir
> is Different.
> 

What are the nnmaildir group settings that you can use to set the expiry
wait for groups. I cannot find it in the el file.

Sean
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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Paul Jarc]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
> What are the nnmaildir group settings that you can use to set the expiry
> wait for groups.

My cvs commit finally succeeded, so if you get a fresh checkout, your
nnmail-expiry-wait-function should now work as-is.


paul

Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Paul Jarc on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 wrote:
> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
>> What are the nnmaildir group settings that you can use to set the
>> expiry wait for groups.
> 
> My cvs commit finally succeeded, so if you get a fresh checkout, your
> nnmail-expiry-wait-function should now work as-is.
> 
> 

Yeah just grabbed it, now to wait and see what happens tomorrow :)

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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Paul Kelly can witness that Paul Jarc on Thu, 21 Feb 2002 wrote:
> Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
>> What are the nnmaildir group settings that you can use to set the
>> expiry wait for groups.
> 
> My cvs commit finally succeeded, so if you get a fresh checkout, your
> nnmail-expiry-wait-function should now work as-is.
> 
> 

Yeah just grabbed it, now to wait and see what happens tomorrow :)

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Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Paul Jarc]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
> What are the nnmaildir group settings that you can use to set the expiry
> wait for groups.

My cvs commit finally succeeded, so if you get a fresh checkout, your
nnmail-expiry-wait-function should now work as-is.


paul

Re: nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Paul Jarc]

Sean Rima <spamtrap@tcob1.net> wrote:
> (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
...
> What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
> nnmaildir.

You can, but nnmaildir doesn't look at nnmail-* unless you tell it to
(via the group parameters that nnmaildir *does* look at).  nnmaildir
is Different.

(add-to-list 'gnus-parameters
             '("" (expire-age . [(your-expire-age-function)])))
(defun your-expire-age-function ()
  (if nnmail-expiry-wait-function
      (* 86400 ;; seconds per day
         (nnmail-expiry-wait-function
           (gnus-group-real-name gnus-newsgroup-name)))
    nnmail-expiry-wait))

I'll see how much it would impact the existing nnmaildir code to make
this the default when the expire-age parameter is not set, so you
could pretend nnmaildir looks directly at nnmail-*.

See <URL:http://multivac.cwru.edu./nnmaildir/using/#group-setup>,
which I really ought to add to the Gnus manual soon.


paul

nnmaildir, expiry problem

[Sean Rima]

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I am not sure if I am doing something wrong, but I have use nnmaildir as
Maildrop filters my mail prior to gnus getting it's hands on it.

I get a couple of large mailing lists in and I have noticed that even
though I have set a group expiry for them:

(setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
   (lambda (group)
   (cond ((string= group "mail.private")
          31)
         ((string= group "suse")
         1)
         ((string= group "cicq")
         1)
....

That when gnus leaves the group, nothing gets expired. SOme of the mail
is almost a week old.

What else do I need to do or can you not expire mail whilst using
nnmaildir.

Sean
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