Oort Release Schedule

Oort Release Schedule

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Should I start doing (ir-)regular numbered releases of Oort again?  Or
should we just say that "CVS is it if you want to be ref^H^H^Hupdated"?

One nice thing about numbered updates (ognus-0.45.tar.gz) is that you
can see which version the user is actually using.

If nobody has any objections, I'll start doing releases again on a
more timely basis.  I'll try to make the releases at "sweet points",
where no major new bugs have been introduced lately (i.e., more than
four days after I've written any new code.  :-)

-- 
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   larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Frank Schmitt]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

>Should I start doing (ir-)regular numbered releases of Oort again?  Or
>should we just say that "CVS is it if you want to be ref^H^H^Hupdated"?
>
>One nice thing about numbered updates (ognus-0.45.tar.gz) is that you
>can see which version the user is actually using.
>
>If nobody has any objections, I'll start doing releases again on a
>more timely basis.  I'll try to make the releases at "sweet points",
>where no major new bugs have been introduced lately (i.e., more than
>four days after I've written any new code.  :-)

First of all: I think that's a good idea.

I'm wondering: Is there a roadmap or a "that's still to do" list for the
way to Gnus 5.10? Will it be 5.10 or 6.0?

As Oort is alpha, how about taking e.g. the 0.05, applying all bugfixes,
but no new features to it for some weeks and give it out to those who'd
like all the nice new features but are frightened of the real bleeding edge?

-- 
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One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
19. Dezember 2001

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> I'm wondering: Is there a roadmap or a "that's still to do" list for
> the way to Gnus 5.10? Will it be 5.10 or 6.0?

5.10.

> As Oort is alpha, how about taking e.g. the 0.05, applying all
> bugfixes, but no new features to it for some weeks and give it out
> to those who'd like all the nice new features but are frightened of
> the real bleeding edge?

That's a possibility.  There's lots of new stuff in Oort that people
should be using, so perhaps the thing would be to aim for a Gnus 5.10
this spring.

My cunning plan was to finish going through all the old mail and news,
looking for stuff that should/could be dealt with.  Two weeks ago I
finished this mailing list and the gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup.  Last
week I did the nnml:spam and various odds and ends.  I have nnml:misc
(i.e., personal mail) and gnus-bugs left.  That last one is a bit
daunting.

And *then* I thought I'd start on what I wanted to do -- the Saints.

But perhaps that's more of a No Gnus thing.

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Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Florian Weimer]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> One nice thing about numbered updates (ognus-0.45.tar.gz) is that you
> can see which version the user is actually using.

Somebody could set up a daily cron job which automatically commits a
new version number every day. ;-)

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> And *then* I thought I'd start on what I wanted to do -- the Saints.

> But perhaps that's more of a No Gnus thing.

What's "the Saints".

<hopeful>does it have anything to do with asynchronous backends?</hopeful>

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> What's "the Saints".

Intelligent setup wizards.

> <hopeful>does it have anything to do with asynchronous backends?</hopeful>

*dashes hope*

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Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Simon Josefsson]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>
>> What's "the Saints".
>
> Intelligent setup wizards.

Cool.  Removing .emacs and .gnus and starting Gnus and trying to 
get things to work without writing elisp is a interesting 
experiment.

<nit>I've always wanted Gnus to figure out that [foo] in subject 
lines probably is a list identifier if all messages in a summary 
buffer have them, and when the user enters the group it should ask 
if the user wants to add [foo] to `gnus-list-identifiers' 
automagically.

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> <nit>I've always wanted Gnus to figure out that [foo] in subject lines
> probably is a list identifier if all messages in a summary buffer have
> them, and when the user enters the group it should ask if the user
> wants to add [foo] to `gnus-list-identifiers' automagically.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

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Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
   Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:10:44 +0100

   > Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
   > 
   > > <nit>I've always wanted Gnus to figure out that [foo] in subject lines
   > > probably is a list identifier if all messages in a summary buffer have
   > > them, and when the user enters the group it should ask if the user
   > > wants to add [foo] to `gnus-list-identifiers' automagically.
   > 
   > Sounds like a good idea to me.

But, what if I will enter nnfolder:LinuxKernel where are only five unread
articles and each has [PATCH] in its subject? AI is the thing I hate on
*some* systems. Gnus is not one of the now...
-- 
Pavel Janík

But for the user this does not matter, he just sees a frozen
machine. Even if it would recover in some hours ;)
                  -- Hubert Mantel

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Andreas Fuchs]

Today, Pavel Janík <Pavel@Janik.cz> wrote:
>    From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
>    Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:10:44 +0100
>    > Sounds like a good idea to me.
> 
> But, what if I will enter nnfolder:LinuxKernel where are only five
> unread articles and each has [PATCH] in its subject? AI is the thing I
> hate on *some* systems. Gnus is not one of the now...

[PATCH] seems to be a common subject prefix in this group. update
`gnus-list-identifiers'? (y/n)

Artificial Intelligence is better when you can put the blame on natural
stupidity (-:

-- 
Andreas Fuchs, <asf@acm.org>, asf@jabber.at, antifuchs

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Andreas Fuchs <asf@void.at> writes:

> [PATCH] seems to be a common subject prefix in this group. update
> `gnus-list-identifiers'? (y/n)

Gnus doesn't have to query automatically.  There could be a command
`gnus-guess-at-list-identifiers' that would look at the subjects and
suggest an identifier.  People who wants to be queried automatically
could add that function to a hook or something...

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Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

>>"Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

 Lars> If nobody has any objections, I'll start doing releases again on a
 Lars> more timely basis.  I'll try to make the releases at "sweet points",
 Lars> where no major new bugs have been introduced lately (i.e., more than
 Lars> four days after I've written any new code.  :-)

	What is the collective opinion about a wider dissemination of
 one of these sweet point releases?  I package Gnus for Debian, and
 the official Gnus package is for version 5.8.8, released on Jan 4
 2001, and it lacks lots of nifty things that have been developed in
 oort. 

	Also, emacs21 comes with 5.9.0, and I've been deluged by
 questions why the supposedly more up to date stand alone version is
 older than the bundled version (which caused a flurry of problems
 until the packaging was corrected).

	However, I from the last time I packaged a development
 version, I know better than to just silently do so ;-(

	Are we close to the end of the oort arc, or could we have an
 interim semi-stable release that can be packaged in the meantime? 

	manoj
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Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Christoph Rohland]

Hi Lars,

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Should I start doing (ir-)regular numbered releases of Oort again?
> Or should we just say that "CVS is it if you want to be
> ref^H^H^Hupdated"?
> 
> One nice thing about numbered updates (ognus-0.45.tar.gz) is that
> you can see which version the user is actually using.

As a user I would appreciate this. I was using 5.8.8 for a long time,
but recently I could not hold any longer and switched to CVS. There
are to many goodies :-)

Greetings
		Christoph

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@acm.org>:

>  What is the collective opinion about a wider dissemination of one
>  of these sweet point releases?  I package Gnus for Debian, and the
>  official Gnus package is for version 5.8.8, released on Jan 4 2001,
>  and it lacks lots of nifty things that have been developed in oort.
[snip!]
>  However, I from the last time I packaged a development version, I
>  know better than to just silently do so ;-(

It'll be OK, I guess, if you name the package oort-gnus, or somesuch,
with the appropriate disclaimers in the description.

I think you should stay with Lars' releases, though.  Not CVS
snapshots. 


- Steinar (debian user, and Gnus CVS user)

Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@acm.org> writes:

> 	What is the collective opinion about a wider dissemination of
>  one of these sweet point releases?  I package Gnus for Debian, and
>  the official Gnus package is for version 5.8.8, released on Jan 4
>  2001, and it lacks lots of nifty things that have been developed in
>  oort. 

I think Debian packages of Oort is fine providing that the package is
clearly marked as "Oort Gnus", and that you wait a bit after a release
to see whether it breaks lotsastuff or not...

> 	Are we close to the end of the oort arc, or could we have an
>  interim semi-stable release that can be packaged in the meantime? 

I think we're somewhat close.  Some time this spring (i. e., this
autumn) 5.10 will be released.

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Re: Oort Release Schedule

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

 Lars> I think Debian packages of Oort is fine providing that the package is
 Lars> clearly marked as "Oort Gnus", and that you wait a bit after a release
 Lars> to see whether it breaks lotsastuff or not...

	I'll put oort in the description (with warnings) and give a
 scary looking cvs+date version number. However, given the news that
 Debians freeze seems to be regressing into a thaw, oort may well be
 released before Woody Debian is.

	manoj
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