Trying to figure it out, *AND* a nice Hello!

Trying to figure it out, *AND* a nice Hello!

[François Pinard]

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Gnus v5.2.37; nntp 4.0; nnml 1.0; nndoc 1.0; nnbabyl 1.0
GNU Emacs 19.31.1 (i486-unknown-lignux, X toolkit) of Mon Jul 22 1996 on icule

Hello, all.

I just recently installed Gnus, and upgraded Emacs to a proper level,
and am now experimenting with the package, meant to read and handle my
email, essentially.  I also have 2200 Babyl folders, containing in the
order of 25000 messages, and plan to see how Gnus will help me for these.
For me, it is a big change in paradygm.  However, and a little sadly,
a lot of RMAIL customization is gone, which I might have to reimplement.

The pre-canned `nndoc+gnus-help:gnus-help' is a nice kind of welcome.
The last entry:

   From lars Thu Feb 23 23:20:38 1995
   From: larsi@ifi.uio.no (ding)
   Subject: Bugs & stuff
   Date: Fri Feb 24 13:40:45 1995

explains how to send a bug report, and also where to ask for questions,
naming a mailing list for it.  But I wonder if I should be part of this
list for getting the replies, if any.  The said article would be more
helpful if it was either giving me a hint about how to subscribe to
the `ding@ifi.uio.no' mailing list, or telling me that subscription is
not necessary.  In case I should be on the list, would some kind soul
directly email me the recipe for doing so?

Because it is new, I might have some difficulty, at least for a little
while, sorting out what is a matter of discussion, and what should be
reported as a bug, and if suggestions *may* be reported as bugs (as we
often do in GNU).  I'll presume yes.

   I would, of course, prefer that you locate the bug, fix it, and mail
   me the patches, but one can't have everything.

That may come, but only later.  The emergency for me is keeping the head
out of the water, with all that email flowing in as I write :-).  I'll start
with simple matters and problems, as I meet them.  Here are a few details:


* This message was started with M-x gnus-bug.  My .emacs file contains:

	(setq mail-self-blind t)

but seemingly, no Bcc: was inserted in the header of this reply (I did
it myself, by hand).  Could Gnus comply with this variable as well?
The `M-x m', outside Gnus, initializes the outgoing mail with the Bcc:
header preset.


* While composing this very message, I cut and pasted (using the keyboard,
not the mouse), the following text from the *Article* buffer:

   From lars Thu Feb 23 23:20:38 1995
   From: larsi@ifi.uio.no (ding)
   Subject: Bugs & stuff
   Date: Fri Feb 24 13:40:45 1995

and realized that the highlighting (which you probably do not see in
this reply :-) was bleeding into the new text I wrote after it.  This is
not a big thing in itself.  My usual reflex in such circumstances is
typing `C-S-l' (hilit-repaint-command) to get things straight, but it
was ineffective.  (Highlighting disappeared when I refilled the bleeded
in paragraph, using GNU fmt as an external process -- as the refilling
is much better done this way.)

Let me suggest that this `C-S-l' keybinding be usable while composing a
message under Gnus.


* Being used to move messages a lot between folders, and wanting to
experiment a little around, I tried `B m' between two nnml groups.
It seems that the moved message had the `O' flag *after* the move was
completed, while I was expecting to find the moved message as unread.
(The parallel is that when I move an already deleted message from one
Babyl folder to another, it is not deleted anymore in the new folder.)

Let me suggest that `B m' automatically recovers the *virginity* of a
message while moving it elsewhere.



------------------ Environment follows ------------------

(setq gnus-default-nntp-server "")
(setq gnus-select-method
      '(nnml ""))
(setq gnus-show-mime t)
(setq gnus-decode-encoded-word-method #[nil "À‡" [nil] 1])
(setq gnus-subscribe-newsgroup-method
      'gnus-subscribe-alphabetically)
(setq gnus-summary-mode-hook
      '(mc-install-read-mode))
(setq gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook
      '(gnus-summary-expire-articles))
(setq gnus-startup-hook
      '(#[nil "ÀÁÂ\"ˆÀÁÃ\"ˆÄ\x15ÀÆÂ\"‡" [remove-hook gnus-summary-prepare-hook hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly hilit-install-line-hooks
	      (gnus-summary-mark-read-and-unread-as-read)
	      gnus-mark-article-hook gnus-article-prepare-hook] 3]))
(setq gnus-parse-headers-hook
      '(gnus-decode-rfc1522))
(setq gnus-exit-group-hook
      '(gnus-uu-delete-work-dir gnus-uu-clean-up))
(setq nnmail-split-methods
      '(("mail.linux-kernel" "^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*linux-")
	("mail.bpi.ln" "^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*ln@")
	("mail.gnu.gnits" "^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*gnits@")
	("mail.gnu.tar" "^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*tar-\\|Subject:.* tar")
	("mail.gnu.recode" "^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*recode-\\|Subject:.* recode")
	("mail.gnu.ptx" "^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*ptx-\\|Subject:.* ptx")
	("mail.gnu.wdiff" "^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*wdiff-\\|Subject:.* wdiff")
	("mail.junk.sans-intérêt" "^Subject:.*\\(soccer\\|volley.*ball\\)")
	("mail.junk.sans-accents" "^From:.*\\(Louis-D. Dubeau\\|Patrice Chiniara\\)")
	("mail.CLASSER" "")))
(setq message-post-method
      '(nnspool ""))
(setq message-header-setup-hook
      '(gnus-inews-insert-archive-gcc gnus-inews-insert-gcc))



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Re: Trying to figure it out, *AND* a nice Hello!

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

François Pinard <pinard@progiciels-bpi.ca> writes:

> But I wonder if I should be part of this list for getting the
> replies, if any.

Not necessarily, no.  

> In case I should be on the list, would some kind soul directly email
> me the recipe for doing so?

Just send a note to "ding-request@ifi.uio.no" saying so.

> * This message was started with M-x gnus-bug.  My .emacs file contains:
> 
> 	(setq mail-self-blind t)
> 
> but seemingly, no Bcc: was inserted in the header of this reply (I did
> it myself, by hand).  Could Gnus comply with this variable as well?
> The `M-x m', outside Gnus, initializes the outgoing mail with the Bcc:
> header preset.

The new Message mode doesn't respect any `mail-*' variables, really.

> * While composing this very message, I cut and pasted (using the keyboard,
> not the mouse), the following text from the *Article* buffer:
> 
>    From lars Thu Feb 23 23:20:38 1995
>    From: larsi@ifi.uio.no (ding)
>    Subject: Bugs & stuff
>    Date: Fri Feb 24 13:40:45 1995
> 
> and realized that the highlighting (which you probably do not see in
> this reply :-) was bleeding into the new text I wrote after it.  This is
> not a big thing in itself.  My usual reflex in such circumstances is
> typing `C-S-l' (hilit-repaint-command) to get things straight, but it
> was ineffective.

I've never used hilit and know very little about what it does, but I
thought newer Emacsen used font-lock instead of hilit?

> * Being used to move messages a lot between folders, and wanting to
> experiment a little around, I tried `B m' between two nnml groups.
> It seems that the moved message had the `O' flag *after* the move was
> completed, while I was expecting to find the moved message as unread.

The article mark in the original group is kept when moving between
groups.  So if you want the article to be unread in the destination
group, just `M-u' it first to remove the marks.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen