help, lost messages in ognus

help, lost messages in ognus

[Nick Papadonis]

Hi,

I'm using ognus checked out of CVS yesterday.  After I moved
25 messages from one nnml: group to another, then restarted gnus, I
lost all the messages in the original group.  I checked the orig directory 
and the files are still
there, but messages are not displayed in gnus.

I think the problem is in my .newsrc.eld file.  This is the line
refering to the group.
("nnml:mail.misc" (3 . 439) ((1 . 1272)) ((cache 11 14 368 374 376 380
393 418 432 (434 . 435) (442 . 445) (448 . 449)) (reply 435))

Anyone know the format of this line (gnus-newsrc-alist)?

Apparently it isn't showing ANY of the messages in the mail/misc
directory /home/nick/Mail/mail/misc:
1004  1043  1098  1124  1150  1172  1191  1211  1236  1263  797  865  925  977
1010  1044  1099  1126  1151  1173  1192  1212  1237  1264  798  867  929  978
1013  1045  1100  1128  1152  1174  1193  1213  1240  1265  799  871  931  984
1017  1046  1101  1129  1154  1176  1195  1214  1242  1266  802  875  936  987
1023  1048  1102  1130  1155  1177  1196  1215  1243  1267  804  878  946  988
1025  1051  1103  1131  1157  1178  1197  1216  1244  1268  805  879  947  993
1027  1052  1106  1132  1158  1179  1198  1217  1245  1269  807  880  950  995
1028  1057  1107  1134  1160  1180  1199  1218  1249  1270  815  882  955
1030  1064  1108  1135  1161  1181  1200  1222  1251  1271  816  887  956
1032  1067  1110  1136  1162  1182  1201  1223  1254  1272  838  888  958
1034  1068  1111  1137  1163  1183  1202  1225  1255  454   844  891  960
1035  1069  1112  1138  1164  1184  1203  1227  1256  623   858  896  961
1037  1072  1116  1143  1165  1186  1205  1230  1257  715   859  897  966
1038  1075  1117  1144  1166  1187  1206  1231  1258  718   860  910  969
1040  1078  1120  1145  1167  1188  1207  1232  1259  762   862  918  971
1041  1080  1121  1146  1168  1189  1209  1233  1261  765   863  920  972
1042  1097  1122  1149  1169  1190  1210  1234  1262  787   864  921  974


Any insight greatley appreciated.

-- 
- Nick

Re: help, lost messages in ognus

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Mar  8, 2001, Nick Papadonis <npapadon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> and the files are still
> there, but messages are not displayed in gnus.

M-x nnml-generate-nov-databases-1 ?

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Re: help, lost messages in ognus

[Paul Jarc]

Nick Papadonis <npapadon@yahoo.com> writes:
> I think the problem is in my .newsrc.eld file.  This is the line
> refering to the group.
> ("nnml:mail.misc" (3 . 439) ((1 . 1272)) ((cache 11 14 368 374 376 380
> 393 418 432 (434 . 435) (442 . 445) (448 . 449)) (reply 435))
> 
> Anyone know the format of this line (gnus-newsrc-alist)?

It's a group info.  See the Group Info node in the Gnus manual.  It
looks like you're missing a closing paren at the end, but that might
just be how you snipped it.


paul

Re: help, lost messages in ognus

[Nick Papadonis]

Thanks... i used:
M-x nnml-generate-nov-databases

Fixed everything, hopefully. :)

- Nick

Alexandre Oliva <oliva@lsd.ic.unicamp.br> writes:

> On Mar  8, 2001, Nick Papadonis <npapadon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > and the files are still
> > there, but messages are not displayed in gnus.
> 
> M-x nnml-generate-nov-databases-1 ?
> 
> -- 
> Alexandre Oliva   Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/
> Red Hat GCC Developer                  aoliva@{cygnus.com, redhat.com}
> CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp        oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}
> Free Software Evangelist    *Please* write to mailing lists, not to me
> 

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- Nick

Small Gnus UI patch

[Colin Marquardt]

Hi,

here is a small patch which makes Gnus a bit clearer about what is
meant ("partially" could also mean "cut off the rest and send only
the first part").

Ideally, you would have the choice between three options here: 
  * send message in parts, 
  * send in one big message, 
  * cancel.
I don't know enough about Emacs LISP to do that though...

The first part of the patch fixes a plain typo (or Freudian slip?).

Cheers,
  Colin


*** /tmp/message.el.orig	Thu Mar  8 17:57:07 2001
--- /tmp/message.el	Thu Mar  8 17:57:07 2001
***************
*** 2358,2364 ****
      (pop actions)))
  
  (defun message-send-mail-partially ()
!   "Sendmail as message/partial."
    ;; replace the header delimiter with a blank line
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (re-search-forward
--- 2358,2364 ----
      (pop actions)))
  
  (defun message-send-mail-partially ()
!   "Send mail as message/partial."
    ;; replace the header delimiter with a blank line
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (re-search-forward
***************
*** 2483,2489 ****
  	    (message-insert-courtesy-copy))
  	  (if (or (not message-send-mail-partially-limit)
  		  (< (point-max) message-send-mail-partially-limit)
! 		  (not (y-or-n-p "The message size is too large, should it be sent partially? ")))
  	      (mm-with-unibyte-current-buffer
  		(funcall message-send-mail-function))
  	    (message-send-mail-partially)))
--- 2483,2489 ----
  	    (message-insert-courtesy-copy))
  	  (if (or (not message-send-mail-partially-limit)
  		  (< (point-max) message-send-mail-partially-limit)
! 		  (not (y-or-n-p "Message exceeds message-send-mail-partially-limit, send in parts? ")))
  	      (mm-with-unibyte-current-buffer
  		(funcall message-send-mail-function))
  	    (message-send-mail-partially)))

Re: Small Gnus UI patch

[Kai Großjohann]

On 08 Mar 2001, Colin Marquardt wrote:

> Ideally, you would have the choice between three options here: 
>   * send message in parts, 
>   * send in one big message, 
>   * cancel.
> I don't know enough about Emacs LISP to do that though...

`C-g' is your friend for cancelling.  No Lisp required.

kai
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Re: Small Gnus UI patch

[Colin Marquardt]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> On 08 Mar 2001, Colin Marquardt wrote:
> 
> > Ideally, you would have the choice between three options here: 
> >   * send message in parts, 
> >   * send in one big message, 
> >   * cancel.
> > I don't know enough about Emacs LISP to do that though...
> 
> `C-g' is your friend for cancelling.  No Lisp required.

That's true, and I do this. However, I wonder if it cleans up things
nicely that might have happened to the message buffer (things like
inserting headers etc.)?

Colin

Re: Small Gnus UI patch

[Kai Großjohann]

On 09 Mar 2001, Colin Marquardt wrote:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> 
>> `C-g' is your friend for cancelling.  No Lisp required.
> 
> That's true, and I do this. However, I wonder if it cleans up things
> nicely that might have happened to the message buffer (things like
> inserting headers etc.)?

Hm.  Hmmm...  Maybe you should ask before doing anything :-)

kai
-- 
Be indiscrete.  Do it continuously.

Re: Small Gnus UI patch

[Daniel Pittman]

On 09 Mar 2001, Colin Marquardt wrote:
> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> 
>> On 08 Mar 2001, Colin Marquardt wrote:
>> 
>> > Ideally, you would have the choice between three options here: 
>> >   * send message in parts, 
>> >   * send in one big message, 
>> >   * cancel.
>> > I don't know enough about Emacs LISP to do that though...
>> 
>> `C-g' is your friend for cancelling.  No Lisp required.
> 
> That's true, and I do this. However, I wonder if it cleans up things
> nicely that might have happened to the message buffer (things like
> inserting headers etc.)?

(condition-case nil
    (progn
      ;; We love lisp here, baby...
      )
  (error (message "Something in the progn signalled an error..."))
  (quit  (message "Quit called by the user...")))

        Daniel

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Re: Small Gnus UI patch

[Colin Marquardt]

Daniel Pittman <daniel@rimspace.net> writes:

> On 09 Mar 2001, Colin Marquardt wrote:
> > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> > 
> >> On 08 Mar 2001, Colin Marquardt wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Ideally, you would have the choice between three options here: 
> >> >   * send message in parts, 
> >> >   * send in one big message, 
> >> >   * cancel.
> >> > I don't know enough about Emacs LISP to do that though...
> >> 
> >> `C-g' is your friend for cancelling.  No Lisp required.
> > 
> > That's true, and I do this. However, I wonder if it cleans up things
> > nicely that might have happened to the message buffer (things like
> > inserting headers etc.)?
> 
> (condition-case nil
>     (progn
>       ;; We love lisp here, baby...
>       )
>   (error (message "Something in the progn signalled an error..."))
>   (quit  (message "Quit called by the user...")))

Thanks, I learned something new, but still, I do not know how much
is going on in the message buffer before and after the partial-limit
is checked. One would probably need to wrap a lot of functions with
that.

It's just... C-g seemed to work fine the one or two times I used it at
this point, but I always have an uneasy feeling every time I interrupt
Gnus in its magical and devious ways, that's all :-)

Cheers,
  Colin

Re: Small Gnus UI patch

[Toby Speight]

0> In article <ysd6wv9yqwky.fsf@sol-cmarquar.pet.usa.alcatel.com>,
0> Colin Marquardt <URL:mailto:colin.marquardt@usa.alcatel.com> ("Colin") wrote:

Colin> It's just... C-g seemed to work fine the one or two times I
Colin> used it at this point, but I always have an uneasy feeling
Colin> every time I interrupt Gnus in its magical and devious ways,
Colin> ...

Message is pretty robust.  I quite often interrupt in the middle of my
message-send-hook; it does make changes to the buffer, but things like
Date etc. are cleared out next time you start sending.  Unless you've
set your message-deletable-headers to a strange value, or something.

Re: Small Gnus UI patch

[Colin Marquardt]

Toby Speight <streapadair@gmx.net> writes:

> Message is pretty robust.  I quite often interrupt in the middle of my
> message-send-hook; it does make changes to the buffer, but things like
> Date etc. are cleared out next time you start sending.  Unless you've
> set your message-deletable-headers to a strange value, or something.

Yes, that was my experience too. But still, it feels not right. 
"[...] and has no need for subtlety". Not that it's quick to anger,
right :-)

Cheers,
  Colin