From: Michael Shulman <shu...@sandiego.edu>
To: Thomas Streicher <stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
Cc: Ambrus Kaposi <kaposi...@gmail.com>,
Altenkirch Thorsten <Thorsten....@nottingham.ac.uk>,
"HomotopyT...@googlegroups.com" <homotopyt...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] Where is the problem with initiality?
Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 04:47:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOvivQzH2q8Y=p8pcK4R1sqe1SnCCN=amS=B99dMYZxZy+qL8w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180526092138.GA7067@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
Thomas, are you saying that the hard part is proving that the syntax
of type theory is a CwF? I always thought that was perfectly obvious
and the hard part was interpreting the syntax into some other CwF.
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:21 AM, Thomas Streicher
<stre...@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
> Triggered by your mails I have tried to recall what I think has to
> be shown for verifying the initiality conjecture.
> Given a type theory with its catgeorical semantics we can construct 2
> models M_a and M_s where M_a is the initial model of the respective
> essentially algebraic theory and M_s is the Lindenbaum-Tarski model
> obtained by factoring syntax modulo provable (judgemental) equality.
> Then we have homomorphism h : M_a -> M_s (by initiality) and h' : M_s
> -> M_a (essential the interpretation function for the theory in M_a).
> Trivially h' \circ h is the identity. For showing that h \circ h' is
> the identity one essentailly shows that interpreting syntax in M_a and
> translating the result back to syntax with variables is the identity.
>
> This last step should be a straightforward induction over syntax.
> Thus the main task is to show that M_s is actually a model. This
> latter task I performed for CoC in my old Thesis. This is fairly
> tedious when performed in detail.
>
> When I wrote my Thesis I didn't think about M_a at all. Instead I used
> the obvious fact that interpreting syntax in M_s just amounts to
> taking equivalence classes modulo provable equivalence. This suffices
> for obtaining the completeness theorem I wanted to have. That M_s is
> initial is then sort of obvious since M_s is term generated and
> interpretation of syntax gives a morphism from M_s to any other model.
>
> So summing up the key is to show that the Lindenbaum-Tarksi construction
> gives rise to a model.
>
> Thomas
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-26 11:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-22 5:46 Michael Shulman
2018-05-22 16:47 ` Ambrus Kaposi
2018-05-23 16:26 ` [HoTT] " Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-24 5:52 ` Michael Shulman
2018-05-24 8:11 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-24 9:53 ` Ambrus Kaposi
2018-05-24 17:26 ` Michael Shulman
2018-05-26 9:21 ` Thomas Streicher
2018-05-26 11:47 ` Michael Shulman [this message]
2018-05-26 16:47 ` stre...
2018-05-27 5:14 ` Bas Spitters
2018-05-28 22:39 ` Michael Shulman
2018-05-29 9:15 ` [HoTT] " Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-29 15:15 ` Michael Shulman
2018-05-30 9:33 ` Thomas Streicher
2018-05-30 9:37 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-30 10:10 ` Thomas Streicher
2018-05-30 12:08 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-30 13:40 ` Thomas Streicher
2018-05-30 14:38 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-30 10:53 ` Alexander Kurz
2018-05-30 12:05 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-30 19:07 ` Michael Shulman
2018-05-31 10:06 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-31 11:05 ` Michael Shulman
2018-05-31 19:02 ` Alexander Kurz
2018-06-01 9:55 ` Martin Escardo
2018-06-01 17:07 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-06-01 17:43 ` Eric Finster
2018-06-01 19:55 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-06-01 20:59 ` András Kovács
2018-06-01 21:06 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-06-01 21:23 ` Michael Shulman
2018-06-01 21:53 ` Eric Finster
2018-06-01 22:09 ` Michael Shulman
2018-06-02 15:06 ` Eric Finster
2018-06-05 20:04 ` Michael Shulman
2018-06-02 5:13 ` Thomas Streicher
2018-06-01 21:52 ` Jasper Hugunin
2018-06-01 22:00 ` Eric Finster
2018-06-01 21:27 ` Matt Oliveri
2018-06-02 5:21 ` Ambrus Kaposi
2018-06-02 6:01 ` Thomas Streicher
2018-06-02 14:35 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-05-30 13:30 ` Jon Sterling
2018-06-05 7:52 ` Andrej Bauer
2018-06-05 8:37 ` David Roberts
2018-06-05 9:46 ` Gabriel Scherer
2018-06-05 22:19 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-06-05 22:54 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-06-05 22:12 ` Richard Williamson
2018-06-06 15:05 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-06-06 19:25 ` Richard Williamson
2018-05-29 14:00 ` Jon Sterling
2018-05-30 22:35 ` Michael Shulman
2018-05-31 10:48 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-05-31 11:09 ` Michael Shulman
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