Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[Kenneth Jacker]

I decided to upgrade my office machine to the newest Ubuntu (8.04/Hardy).

Unfortunately, 'gnus' failed to work from the very start (problems
with 'gnus-load', ...).

Does anyone have Gnus running with Emacs22 on Ubuntu?

I removed Emacs22 and installed Emacs21 and Gnus is usable (it is what
I'm using now to post this article), but doesn't seem quite right".


Thanks for any ideas!
-- 
Prof Kenneth H Jacker       khj@cs.appstate.edu
Computer Science Dept       www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
Appalachian State Univ
Boone, NC  28608  USA        

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[mike.rosset+gnus]

Kenneth:

Try running with "emacs --debug-init" and the check the *messages*
buffer. This should give you a better Idea as to whats going wrong.

Mike

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[Sven Joachim]

On 2008-06-29 00:20 +0200, Kenneth Jacker wrote:

> I decided to upgrade my office machine to the newest Ubuntu (8.04/Hardy).
>
> Unfortunately, 'gnus' failed to work from the very start (problems
> with 'gnus-load', ...).

The Gnus in Ubuntu is not byte-compiled for the emacs22 package, so
Emacs will use the one that comes with Emacs which may lack some
feature that you want in your .gnus.el.  See
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/133621.

> Does anyone have Gnus running with Emacs22 on Ubuntu?
>
> I removed Emacs22 and installed Emacs21 and Gnus is usable (it is what
> I'm using now to post this article), but doesn't seem quite right".

Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/227925).

See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.

Sven

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[Richard G Riley]

Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> writes:

> On 2008-06-29 00:20 +0200, Kenneth Jacker wrote:
>
>> I decided to upgrade my office machine to the newest Ubuntu (8.04/Hardy).
>>
>> Unfortunately, 'gnus' failed to work from the very start (problems
>> with 'gnus-load', ...).
>
> The Gnus in Ubuntu is not byte-compiled for the emacs22 package, so
> Emacs will use the one that comes with Emacs which may lack some
> feature that you want in your .gnus.el.  See
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/133621.
>
>> Does anyone have Gnus running with Emacs22 on Ubuntu?
>>
>> I removed Emacs22 and installed Emacs21 and Gnus is usable (it is what
>> I'm using now to post this article), but doesn't seem quite right".
>
> Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
> unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation
> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnus/+bug/227925).
>
> See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.
>
> Sven

Ubuntu, like Debian, uses some munged site-lips/autoload system from what
I can gather and installing from source is not that straightforward. I
may be wrong and things have changed. Just a heads up on that one and
more info can be found in our friend Google.

The emacs (22.2.1) with Debian Lenny works fine "out of the box".

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[Kenneth Jacker]

  sven> Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
  sven> unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation

  sven> See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.

OK, I'm now successfully running Emacs22 and Gnus (gnus-5.10.10.tar.gz).

Thanks to everyone who replied to my "plea for help"!

  -Kenneth

PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
    that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[David Kastrup]

Kenneth Jacker <khj@be.cs.appstate.edu> writes:

>   sven> Forget about the Gnus that comes with Ubuntu, it is completely
>   sven> unmaintained, very outdated and lacks documentation
>
>   sven> See http://gnus.org/distribution.html how to get a newer version.
>
> OK, I'm now successfully running Emacs22 and Gnus (gnus-5.10.10.tar.gz).
>
> Thanks to everyone who replied to my "plea for help"!
>
>   -Kenneth
>
> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
>     that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...

Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[Kenneth Jacker]

  >> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
  >> that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...

  dak> Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?

That's what I did the first time ... it didn't work ...

Are you using it?  What version is it?

  -Kenneth

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[David Kastrup]

Kenneth Jacker <khj@be.cs.appstate.edu> writes:

>   >> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
>   >> that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...
>
>   dak> Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?
>
> That's what I did the first time ... it didn't work ...
>
> Are you using it?  What version is it?

Well, I am using developer versions of Emacs, anyway.  But I don't
remember anything wrong with gnus before we forked off the Emacs 22
release branch.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[Peter Smerdon]

Kenneth Jacker <khj@be.cs.appstate.edu> writes:

>   >> PS  It is hard to believe that Ubuntu doesn't support Emacs22/Gnus ...
>   >> that combo contains two of my *most used* applications ...
>
>   dak> Why don't you just use the Gnus that is part of Emacs 22?
>
> That's what I did the first time ... it didn't work ...
>
> Are you using it?  What version is it?
>
>   -Kenneth

Kenneth, FWIW, I used the Gnus version bundled with the ubuntu emacs22
package with no problems, and am currently using the ubuntu
emacs-snapshot package, which also contains gnus, again with no
problems. As dak pointed out there seems to be no need now to install a
stand alone gnus, the tramp package I think also falls into this
category.


-- 

Peter.

Re: Ubuntu/Emacs22/Gnus

[Kenneth Jacker]

  ps> FWIW, I used the Gnus version bundled with the ubuntu emacs22
  ps> package with no problems, and am currently using the ubuntu
  ps> emacs-snapshot package, which also contains gnus, again with no
  ps> problems.

Hmmm ... I wonder why I couldn't get it to work?  Maybe I had some
"legacy" config options in ".emacs" and ".gnus.el" that messed things up.

  ps> As dak pointed out there seems to be no need now to install a
  ps> stand alone gnus, ...

OK, but I don't think I'll change my setup now ("if it's not broken, ...").

Assuming I remember ;-), I'll try using the Ubuntu-distributed version
next time.

  ps> ... the tramp package I think also falls into this category.

Yes, I noticed that it was now included ...


Thanks for your comments,

  -Kenneth