* bogofilter behavior @ 2004-08-03 10:06 Harry Putnam [not found] ` <v9zn5cv3hd.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> [not found] ` <m31ximuk0r.fsf@merlin.emma.line.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2004-08-03 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw) This may be a little out of line for this groups. The bogofilter mail list seems to be pretty dead. So please bare with me for moment. I'm using bogofilter in procmail not gnus, but if someone is familiar please talk to me off list. I'm using the most primitive setup. Where procmail runs bogofilter then checks the bogofilter header for spammyness. In bogo_spam.in group some false positives occur and I run them back thru bogofilter according to my reading of the man pages, this should correct any misfiling that occured in bogo data base. `bogofilter -v -Sn < MSG_NUM (a false positive file name) However some of these false hits have recurred several times and are very similar. I was under the impression that the above command would tell bogofilter these are not spam. It seems to have no effect. The message type that has recurred the most are those auto things from gmane about posting on groups. Why doesn't bogofilter catch on? Is my command supposed to do what I think it is? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: bogofilter behavior [not found] ` <v9zn5cv3hd.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> @ 2004-08-03 16:19 ` Harry Putnam [not found] ` <v9d628p0ei.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2004-08-03 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: > ,----[ bogofilter(1) ] > | The -S option tells bogofilter to register the text > | presented on standard input as spam and to undo a prior > | registration of the same message as non-spam. > | > | The -N option tells bogofilter to register the text > | presented on standard input as non-spam and to undo a prior > | registration of the same message as spam. > `---- Reiner on a closer look at the above citation I see it is direct conflict with my man page. Where did you get that from? I had the right formula according to my man page for version: bogofilter --version bogofilter version 0.92.2.cvs man 1 bogofilter: [...] The -S option tells bogofilter to undo a prior registration of the same message as spam. If a message was incorrectly entered as spam by ’-s’ or ’-u’ and you want to remove it and enter it as non-spam, use options ’-Sn’. If ’-S’ is used for a message that wasn’t registered as spam, the counts will still be decremented. [...] Just the reverse of what you posted. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: bogofilter behavior [not found] ` <v9d628p0ei.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> @ 2004-08-03 21:39 ` Harry Putnam [not found] ` <4nekmmaokh.fsf@lifelogs.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2004-08-03 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: > It seems that the meaning of those have changed [2]. I hope that the > values in `spam.el' are suitable for current bogofilter: > > spam-bogofilter-spam-switch "-s" > spam-bogofilter-ham-switch "-n" > spam-bogofilter-spam-strong-switch "-S" > spam-bogofilter-ham-strong-switch "-N" On the surface it would appear not... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: bogofilter behavior [not found] ` <4nd625cjag.fsf@lifelogs.com> @ 2004-08-09 2:00 ` Matthias Andree [not found] ` <4nvffs6vfs.fsf@lifelogs.com> [not found] ` <656wo2y8.fsf@blue.sea.net> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Matthias Andree @ 2004-08-09 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2004, matthias.andree@gmx.de wrote: > >> Ted, you would have to use bogofilter -V instead (capital letter 'V' >> vee). > > OK. I don't use Bogofilter so I'd appreciate your help. > > VERSION: spam ham spam-strong ham-strong > 0.11.0: -s -n -S -N > > Can you continue the table? Not at this time, the meaning of spam-strong and ham-strong is unclear to me and doesn't stand out in the documentation. -s/-n - REGISTER message as spam/ham (ham = non-spam) -S/-N - UNREGISTER message as spam/ham (undo a registration, must use the same message) These options can be combined, to fix up a false training, -Sn moves a message from spam to ham and -Ns moves it from ham to spam. >> I'd suggest refusing to work with bogofilter versions older than >> 0.10.2 and it's recommended to warn about versions older than 0.17.5 >> which is now three months old. Remember that bogofilter 0.X versions >> are still under development. > > It's hard to give the boot to the users like that. The users chose to use a development version, with all the implications such as a minor release becoming incompatible with the previous, anything but the current version unsupported, frequent updates and the like. 0.11.0, when the meaning of the registration options was changed for the last time, was released in March 2003 - over 17 months ago, which is an entire era for a software under development. It's sensible to request frequent updates of users using a development version. Don't waste your time on the 0.1 % of machines that run outdated bogofilter versions - use the registration as mentioned above and refuse work with versions before and excluding 0.11.0. > Gnus is in Emacs, and that means we have to handle old software too > occasionally. It's not going to help anybody if someone uses some two-year-old version of bogofilter today. -- Matthias Andree NOTE YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE MY MAIL IF YOU'RE USING SPF! Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95 (PGP/MIME preferred) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: bogofilter behavior [not found] ` <m3fz6v7u7l.fsf@merlin.emma.line.org> @ 2004-08-10 14:59 ` Ted Zlatanov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2004-08-10 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, matthias.andree@gmx.de wrote: > Looking at the NEWS file however I can only again discourage using > bogofilter versions that old. Missing features, missing tuning, missing > accuracy, and so on. Can any other Bogofilter users comment please? If this is the general sentiment I'll gladly go with Matthias. > Whether you use 0.11.2 or 0.92.4, -n -N -s -S are the same. Versions > before 0.11 used -S instead of -Ns and -N instead of -Sn. My point is that the switches may change again. I'll assume they are stable for now. > I do believe your fear for bogus bug reports is unsubstantiated if > the refusal is worded properly, something along the lines "Sorry, > spam.el is not compatible with your older version of bogofilter but > has been developed with a more recent bogofilter version in mind. If > you plan to upgrade your bogofilter version; spam.el requires at > least bogofilter version 0.11.2, it is advisable to get at least > 0.15.13 though." OK, I can put that in spam.el, I would just like one more vote for it so I know people are using the bogofilter support :) I'll make it conditional on whether spam-use-bogofilter is set when spam.el is loaded. Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: bogofilter behavior [not found] ` <v9hdpgrb4l.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> @ 2004-09-30 15:15 ` Ted Zlatanov 2004-10-02 17:11 ` Harry Putnam 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2004-09-30 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, reinersteib+from-uce@imap.cc wrote: > Well, `spam.el' calling bogofilter with wrong options can be > considered as a bug. :-) Does it now in the 5.10 branch? If yes, I'll fix it. Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: bogofilter behavior [not found] ` <v9hdpgrb4l.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> 2004-09-30 15:15 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2004-10-02 17:11 ` Harry Putnam 2004-10-03 15:45 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2004-10-02 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Sorry to butt in here but Reiner seems to be an experienced bogofilter user. I could use a little more coacing if you want to reply off line. Or here if it seems suitable. I'm not even using bogo in gnus so really off topic... BUT: $ bogofilter --version bogofilter version 0.92.2.cvs I run it from procmail, and just a really simple setup. Anything ending up in bogo_spam that is not spam, I've written a really simple bash function to run it thru again from the command line. (wrapped for mail) bogos () \ { cd /home/reader/Mail/bogo_spam;bogofilter -vvv -Sn <"$1";cd-; } Where $1 is taken from the status line in gnus that shows the file name. This seems to not really do anything. Certain kinds of messages have shown up in bogospam repeatedly. An example might be the autoresponse things that gmane sends out. I've run at least a 2 dozen and more back thru bogo but still they land in bogo_spam. Seems like bogofilter is not learning anything from the reruns. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: bogofilter behavior 2004-10-02 17:11 ` Harry Putnam @ 2004-10-03 15:45 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2004-10-03 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sat, Oct 02 2004, Harry Putnam wrote: > Sorry to butt in here but Reiner seems to be an experienced bogofilter > user. As my provider provides the setup described in (info "(gnus)Spam ELisp Package Configuration Examples"), I wouldn't even have to know that bogofilter is running behind the scene. It just works for me. Please ask on the bogofilter list (aka gmane.mail.bogofilter.general). Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: bogofilter behavior [not found] ` <m34qnhlwhb.fsf@newsguy.com> @ 2004-08-05 16:45 ` Matthias Andree 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Matthias Andree @ 2004-08-05 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes: > Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de> writes: > >> Check bogofilter -vvv what it thinks and what token make that message >> "spammy" - and what the counts were. > > Thanks for your response. And I saw your test appear on bogofilter > group on gmane. > > For the record. What I was talking about in my gnu.emacs.gnus post > was that I had attempted a post on gmane. Got the auto responder and > responded. Then got a notice that it was a subscribe only list. Yes indeed it is, to catch the (still only a few messages a day) spam. > Went to website and subbed. The subscription needs to be acknowledged before it becomes effective - but David or I should have seen your post held for moderation and have then the choice to reject, approve, discard -- and both David and I look at the posts before deciding. I'll Bcc: David on this post so he knows what's going on. > I can't find evidence of any of this on my spools now. I'm not sure > what went wrong but it seems my messags never got there or something, > but then why would I get the auto response from gmane... > > Maybe I crashed the browser while subbing or something. > > Anyway, you've fully answered my questions for now. So I think I'll > go subscribe again. I have seen the notification that you are subscribed; if you prefer to read via GMANE, you can go to the listinfo site (where you have subscribed) and change your options to "nomail" -- to post, you'd still send to bogofilter@bogofilter.org. Followup-To: poster - please answer by mail if there is further need for discussion. -- Matthias Andree Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95 (PGP/MIME preferred) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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