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From: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add support for mkostemp, mkstemps and mkostemps
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:22:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130130192233.GP20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130130191257.GH6181@port70.net>

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 08:12:58PM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
> * Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> [2013-01-30 11:51:27 -0500]:
> > current time. Better use of the stack address in generating the
> > filenames could prevent knowing the set of output filenames for a
> > range of times without knowing the stack address in the program being
> > attacked. In fact, I'm a little bit worried that the current approach
> > discloses too much information about the stack address to an attacker.
> > If nothing else, I think some shuffling should be done so that the
> > (typically more valuable) high bits of the stack address are matched
> > with the low (least predictable) bits of the clock.
> 
> void __randname(char *p)
> {
> 	struct timespec ts;
> 	unsigned long r;
> 	int i;
> 
> 	clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts);
> 	r = ts.tv_nsec*65537 ^ (uintptr_t)&ts / 16 + (uintptr_t)p;
> 	for (i=0; i<6; i++, r>>=5)
> 		p[i] = 'A'+(r&15)+(r&16)*2;
> }
> 
> this uses 30bits of r and mixes the random low bits of nsec
> into the high bits

Keep in mind it might be bits 8-15 that are most valuable with ASLR
(assuming the randomization only adjusts by small amounts and not so
much to waste lots of address space). I think this needs a little bit
more consideration.

> > > more significant improvement can be done by larger
> > > set of names and better entropy source
> > 
> > Other implementations probably use 36 bits or slightly less (base64
> > perhaps modified base64).
> > 
> > I could see it being feasible to increase this slightly and maybe even
> 
> <= 36bits is probably ok

You mean >=36? Or..?

Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-30 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-28  5:06 Anthony G. Basile
2013-01-28  8:47 ` John Spencer
2013-01-28  9:37 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-01-28 17:33   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-01-29 23:16   ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-01-30  7:21     ` Rich Felker
2013-01-30  7:59       ` Hardy Falk
2013-01-30 13:45         ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-01-30 16:51           ` Rich Felker
2013-01-30 19:12             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-01-30 19:22               ` Rich Felker [this message]
2013-01-31  0:28                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-01-28 16:33 ` Rich Felker
2013-02-02  3:48 ` Rich Felker
2013-02-02 18:46   ` Anthony G. Basile
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-02-02 21:15 Anthony G. Basile
2013-02-02 21:17 ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-02-03  3:30 ` Rich Felker
2013-02-02 18:45 Anthony G. Basile
2013-02-02 19:51 ` John Spencer
2013-02-02 19:59   ` John Spencer
2013-02-02 22:11   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-02-02 20:14 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-02-02 20:38   ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-02-02 22:22     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-01-28  2:36 Anthony G. Basile
2013-01-28  5:01 ` Anthony G. Basile

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