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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Cc: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: new upload
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:45:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0f1e3586-8b53-5820-2611-d8ac95a8d46d@xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALC5-UJn=zVQ5U-FX_YG1Pf+mDBYL43eQQibuHYYevTPMopfnA@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/15/2022 3:52 PM, Alexandre Christe via ntg-context wrote:
> Just came across a weird behavior with the latest upload.
> 
> The following doesn't print as it should
> \startformula 4^{2x} - 4^x - 25 = 0 \stopformula
> 
> I don't think it's normal (I see the spacing to make room for anything 
> that comes after the first character in the exposant, but it is not 
> printed).

to get an idea about default and additional spacing in tex ...

\starttext

\startbuffer
     \dontleavehmode\ruledhbox{$x^2 + x$}\par
     \dontleavehmode\ruledhbox{$x_2 + x$}\par
     \dontleavehmode\ruledhbox{$x^^2 + x$}\par
     \dontleavehmode\ruledhbox{$x__2 + x$}\blank
\stopbuffer

\startTEXpage[offset=3pt]
     \getbuffer
     \Umathspaceafterscript \textstyle0pt
     \Umathspacebeforescript\textstyle0pt
     \getbuffer
     \Umathextrasupspace    \textstyle20pt
     \Umathextrasubspace    \textstyle40pt
     \Umathextrasupprespace \textstyle10pt
     \Umathextrasubprespace \textstyle30pt
     \getbuffer
\stopTEXpage

\stoptext

so by default there is space added to scripts (more in latin modern than 
in cmr btw as it is font driven) but one can argue if that makes sense 
at all ... this is why we might default to zero font spacing and 
specific super/subscript spacing instead (just as in lmtx we have 
prescripts and related (fake opentype) spacing)

in a similar fashion there is built-in pre/post fraction spacing that 
makes that we cannot have tight fractions (by default) while in fact 
that has to be driven by proper fraction-class spacing so that's another 
thing that might happen: tight fractions + proper interclass spacing 
(because we have less memory constraints than when tex showed up we can 
add classes without overhead)

(i bet that due to a 'tex does perfect math syndrome' these thinsg go 
unnoticed (not by DEK himself, just look at the chapters on finetunign 
math) ... some of it is also compensate for the width-of-glyph cheating 
that goes on in the traditional engine but that is another matter

Hans

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-15 16:45 UTC|newest]

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2022-01-15 10:54 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-15 11:33 ` hanneder--- via ntg-context
2022-01-15 12:30   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-15 14:52     ` Alexandre Christe via ntg-context
2022-01-15 15:14       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-15 15:16         ` Fabrice Couvreur via ntg-context
2022-01-15 16:26           ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-15 16:45       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context [this message]
2022-01-15 18:34 ` undefined control sequence c!symbolcolor in MkIV, was " Rik Kabel via ntg-context
2022-01-15 19:29   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-19 17:29     ` Rik Kabel via ntg-context
2022-01-19 17:46       ` Adam Reviczky via ntg-context
2022-01-19 19:07       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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2023-07-09 17:51 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2023-07-10  8:43 ` denis.maier
2023-07-10  9:53   ` Hans Hagen
2023-07-10 15:51 ` Rik Kabel
2023-07-10 16:13   ` Hans Hagen
2022-12-27 17:04 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-12-27 17:27 ` Floris van Manen via ntg-context
2022-12-27 17:34 ` Floris van Manen via ntg-context
2022-12-27 17:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-12-27 20:13   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-12-27 22:00     ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-12-27 22:32       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-12-27 23:06         ` Floris van Manen via ntg-context
2022-11-14 22:02 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-11-15 14:47 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-10-14  8:21 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-10-14 14:14 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-10-14 14:29   ` Alan Braslau via ntg-context
2022-10-15  7:41   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-10-15  8:48     ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-10-15  9:28       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-10-17 17:12         ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-10-17 20:40           ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-10-18 15:40             ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-10-19  1:39               ` Alan Braslau via ntg-context
2022-10-16 16:07 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2022-10-16 17:03   ` Mikael Sundqvist via ntg-context
2022-10-17  1:38     ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2022-10-17  8:03       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-10-17 16:41         ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2022-10-17  6:43     ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
2022-10-17  7:36       ` Mikael Sundqvist via ntg-context
2022-10-17  7:46       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-04-19 18:23 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-04-19 19:18 ` Jeong Dal via ntg-context
2022-04-19 22:24   ` Jeong Dal via ntg-context
2022-04-20  1:47 ` śrīrāma via ntg-context
2022-04-20  8:49   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-04-21 14:54     ` Alexandre Christe via ntg-context
2022-04-23 11:46       ` śrīrāma via ntg-context
2022-04-15 18:24 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-04-16  8:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-03-11 23:16 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-03-12 16:24 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2022-03-13 18:58 ` Rik Kabel via ntg-context
2022-03-14  8:01   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-03-14 10:34     ` Mikael Sundqvist via ntg-context
2022-03-14 14:05     ` Rik Kabel via ntg-context
2022-03-14 15:02       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-03-15  8:53 ` śrīrāma via ntg-context
2022-03-15  9:53   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-21 19:28 Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-21 20:11 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2022-01-22 10:28   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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2022-01-22  7:21   ` kauśika via ntg-context
2022-01-22  7:37     ` Richard Mahoney via ntg-context
2022-01-22  7:59       ` kauśika via ntg-context
2022-01-22 10:21     ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-22 10:25   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-22 10:38     ` kauśika via ntg-context
2022-01-23  7:58       ` hanneder--- via ntg-context
2022-01-23  8:26         ` kauśika via ntg-context
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2022-01-22 20:04   ` Richard Mahoney via ntg-context
2022-01-27 18:09     ` hanneder--- via ntg-context
2022-01-27 18:29       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-27 18:35       ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2022-01-27 18:45         ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-28 12:56           ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2022-01-28 12:28         ` hanneder--- via ntg-context
2022-01-28 12:58           ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2022-01-23 22:25   ` Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context
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2021-12-01  9:07   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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2021-11-02 17:56   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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2021-08-24 21:12     ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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2021-08-08  0:50 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2021-08-08  7:22   ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2021-06-13 17:31 Hans Hagen
2021-06-14 15:13 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2021-06-14 15:22   ` Hans Hagen
2021-06-14 16:01     ` Pablo Rodriguez
2021-06-04 15:46 Hans Hagen
2021-06-04 16:18 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2021-06-04 17:43   ` Hans Hagen
2021-06-04 17:54     ` Pablo Rodriguez
2021-05-31 12:30 Hans Hagen
2021-05-31 16:50 ` Aditya Mahajan
2021-05-31 17:12   ` Hans Hagen
2021-05-31 17:48   ` Hans Hagen
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2021-06-01 15:17       ` Hans Hagen
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2021-05-26 17:17 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2021-05-26 18:09   ` Hans Hagen
2021-05-27 10:17 ` mf
2021-05-27 12:10   ` Hans Hagen
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2020-11-25  9:12 ` Giulio Bertellini
2020-11-25 11:26   ` Hans Hagen
2020-11-26 15:26 ` Keith McKay
2020-11-26 16:00   ` Hans Hagen
2020-11-26 16:10     ` luigi scarso
2020-11-26 17:00       ` Hans Hagen
2020-11-26 17:07         ` luigi scarso
2020-11-26 17:10           ` Hans Hagen
2020-11-26 19:08             ` luigi scarso
2020-11-26 18:43   ` Mojca Miklavec
2020-11-26 18:59     ` Wolfgang Schuster
2020-11-26 20:00     ` Keith McKay
2020-11-26 20:01     ` Bruce Horrocks
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2020-11-19 11:00 ` mf
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2020-11-19 15:43 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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2020-11-18 21:05 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-18 21:21   ` Wolfgang Schuster
2020-11-18 23:07     ` Hans Hagen
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2020-11-07  9:42 ` Ivan Pešić
2020-11-07  9:42 ` Ivan Pešić
2020-11-06 19:42 Hans Hagen
2020-11-06 21:03 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-06 21:58   ` Rik Kabel
2020-11-06 23:02   ` mf
2020-11-06 23:12     ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-06 23:39       ` Floris van Manen
2020-11-07  9:48       ` Otared Kavian
2020-11-07 10:05         ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-07 10:40           ` Floris van Manen
2020-11-07 11:53             ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-07 12:11               ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-07 13:31                 ` Floris van Manen
2020-11-07 18:28                 ` Floris van Manen
2020-11-07 11:19         ` Hans Hagen
2020-11-07 11:47           ` Floris van Manen
2020-08-31 20:21 Hans Hagen
2020-09-01  0:50 ` Jairo A. del Rio
2020-09-01 12:31   ` Hans Hagen
2020-08-09 18:08 Hans Hagen
2020-08-09 18:36 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-08-09 18:45   ` Jairo A. del Rio
2020-08-09 18:49     ` Jairo A. del Rio
2020-08-09 18:52     ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-08-09 20:09       ` Hans Hagen
2020-08-09 20:29         ` Pablo Rodriguez
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2007-08-24 16:18 ` Aditya Mahajan
2007-08-24 17:11   ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-25 13:15     ` Steffen Wolfrum
2007-08-26 14:01       ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-26 19:10         ` Steffen Wolfrum
2007-08-26 19:57           ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-24 18:22   ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-24 18:26     ` Aditya Mahajan
2007-08-25 19:21       ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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2007-08-26 11:27             ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2007-08-26 14:00               ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-26 13:55         ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-27  9:06       ` Arthur Reutenauer
2007-08-27 14:10         ` Aditya Mahajan
2007-08-25 13:43 ` Mojca Miklavec
2007-08-27 18:28 ` Peter Münster
2007-08-27 18:34   ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-27 19:01     ` Mojca Miklavec
2007-08-27 21:57     ` Peter Münster
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