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From: Richard Mahoney via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Cc: Richard Mahoney <rmahoney@indica-et-buddhica.org>
Subject: Re: new upload
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 09:04:50 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad1d1ed4f219ddf4c79875c7fe3e8c0f80d1a2f7.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org> (raw)
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Thank you Kauśika, these details are v. helpful.


Best, Richard



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From: kauśika via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
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Cc: kauśika <citturs@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] new upload
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 18:01:42 +0530
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On Saturday, January 22, 2022 12:58:05 AM IST Hans Hagen via ntg-
context 
wrote:
> - initial indic transliteration support .. recent indic (font)
> experiences and transliteration tricks will be eplained by kauśika

Recently when we were troubled by incorrect rendering of certain
conjuncts in 
malayalam, Hans added a new font-feature. More below*, but first some 
background: from my testing, the main reason for the problems with
fonts seems 
to come from the varied interpretations and/or implementations of OTF 
specification. To add to this complexity there are two script tags
(v1, v2 in 
OTF and -one, -two in ConTeXt) for each writing system (script). While
there 
are fonts which work very well right away many others have issues and
the 
feature was added to somewhat alleviate these issues.

*The feature is 'indic'. It has two aspects: 'movematra' and
'conjuncts'.

conjuncts takes values: mixed | continue | quit | auto
movematra takes values: default | leftbeforebase | auto

By default 
indic=auto 
for indic scripts. So this "should work" in most cases. 

In case there are issues, I have seen that the following approach
usually 
yields best result in debugging:
 • try to switch between the -one and -two version of the features
(i.e. use 
the v1 or v2 OTF script tag): some fonts may have some rules defined
only under 
one of the script tags. (I am not an expert in fonts but with my
testing of 
free fonts I have seen this). 
 • if that does not fix (the particular issue), revert to a working
feature and 
then set the indic feature as indic={movematra=default,conjuncts=quit}
to see
 • Please see:
 https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg99691.html
 issues usually have a pattern (across languages/scripts so some hacks
might 
work)

For conjuncts, 'mixed' and 'auto' are synonymous. Setting
conjuncts=mixed 
ensures that for some fonts conjuncts with the reph forms are rendered
correctly. (This was tested with a relatively new font in malayalam
using the 
mlm2 script tag).

For problematic fonts, if one can identify which conjuncts work under
which 
script tag and/or with what settings for indic, then, using ConTeXt
feature 
sets one can easily fix rendering in documents by doing, for instance
 {\feature[=][devanagari-two] …}, and/or
 {\feature[=][devanagari-one] …} accordingly
 See the comprehensive wiki page: 
 https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Featuresets 
for more details on how such feautresets might be built and applied.

Now, a brief note on the transliterations macros. First, one specifies
that 
indic transliteration is desired with:
\usetransliteration[indic]

Now, one can transliterate sanskrit to and from various forms by using

\transliterate[scheme]{ … }
where scheme is one of:
    • iast to deva
    • deva to iast
    • deva to mlym
which are respectively the following schemes :
    • IAST → Devanagari
    • Devanagari → IAST
    • Devanagari → Malayalam
More schemes will be added in the near future for various other indic
scripts 
as well. Currently there is only support for sanskrit language, which
we can 
extend to other languages (wherever the script allows).

Additionally, there is also 
\definetransliteration[…][…]
which can be used to define a specific transliteration block.

So, one just sets vector accordingly to get the desired
transliteration block. 
Please see below a minimal example for both:

% SOF
\usetransliteration[indic]
\definetransliteration
    [MyIASTtoDeva]
    [color=blue,
     style=bold,
     language=sa,
     vector={iast to deva}]

\starttransliteration[MyIASTtoDeva]%[color=green]   can set a new
color here 
idaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya kṣetramityabhidīyate.
etadyo vetti taṁ prāhuḥ kṣetrajña iti tadvidaḥ. 
\stoptransliteration

\transliteration[MyIASTtoDeva]{idaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya
kṣetramityabhidīyate}

% or directly 
\transliterate[iast to deva]{idaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya
kṣetramityabhidīyate}
% EOF

kauśika


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2022-01-22  6:06 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2022-01-22  7:21   ` kauśika via ntg-context
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2022-01-22 10:21     ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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2022-01-22 10:38     ` kauśika via ntg-context
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2022-01-23  8:26         ` kauśika via ntg-context
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2020-11-07 10:05         ` Pablo Rodriguez
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2020-11-07 13:31                 ` Floris van Manen
2020-11-07 18:28                 ` Floris van Manen
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2020-09-01 12:31   ` Hans Hagen
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2020-08-09 18:52     ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-08-09 20:09       ` Hans Hagen
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2007-08-25 13:15     ` Steffen Wolfrum
2007-08-26 14:01       ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-26 19:10         ` Steffen Wolfrum
2007-08-26 19:57           ` Hans Hagen
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2007-08-27 19:01     ` Mojca Miklavec
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