[NTG-context] PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[NTG-context] PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Max Chernoff]

Hi all,

I've had a few patches applied to my installation for a little while
now, so I figured that I should send them in. There's a diff at the end
of the email, and the modified files are attached [but rejected by the
mailing list, so sent separately to Hans]

 * In the definition of "featurecreep()" in "lpdf-mis.lmt",
   "structures.pages.tobesaved[i].status" should be "[...].state" to
   match the definition of "pages.save" in "strc-pag.lua". 
   
 * For the "resultof" runner in "util-sbx.lmt", the current io.popen
   mode only works with Windows. See the definition of "l_checkmodep" in
   "liolib.c".
   
 * Some of the pgfplots 3D shaders appear to be broken,
   see https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/708121 .
   
 * The TikZ "RGB" colour model does not currently work properly. This is
   internally used by "\usepgfplotslibrary[colorbrewer]" among others.
   See https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/pull/1130 .
   
Thanks,
-- Max


diff --git a/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def b/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def
index eddab09ab..66edb0980 100644
--- a/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def
+++ b/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def
@@ -26,8 +26,17 @@
 \def\pgfutil@definecolor#1#2#3{\csname pgfutil@emu@#2\endcsname{#1}#3\@nil}

 \def\pgfutil@emu@rgb#1#2,#3,#4\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{rgb}{#2,#3,#4}}}
-\def\pgfutil@emu@gray#1#2\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{rgb}{#2,#2,#2}}}
+\def\pgfutil@emu@gray#1#2\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{gray}{#2}}}
 \def\pgfutil@emu@cmyk#1#2,#3,#4,#5\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{cmyk}{#2,#3,#4,#5}}}
+\def\pgfutil@emu@RGB#1#2,#3,#4\@nil{%
+    \begingroup
+    \pgfmathdivide@{#2}{255}\let\pgfutil@emu@RGB@r\pgfmathresult
+    \pgfmathdivide@{#3}{255}\let\pgfutil@emu@RGB@g\pgfmathresult
+    \pgfmathdivide@{#4}{255}\let\pgfutil@emu@RGB@b\pgfmathresult
+    \edef\pgf@marshal{\def\expandafter\noexpand\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{%
+        \noexpand\xcolor@{}{}{rgb}{\pgfutil@emu@RGB@r,\pgfutil@emu@RGB@g,\pgfutil@emu@RGB@b}}}%
+    \expandafter\endgroup\pgf@marshal
+}


 % no need for x colors (users can load it if needed)
diff --git a/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex b/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex
index 60d6274..106c490 100644
--- a/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex
+++ b/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex
@@ -2804,6 +2804,9 @@
 \def\pgfplotsretval{4}%
 \fi
 \fi
+ \if0\pgfplotsretval
+ \def\pgfplotsretval{5}
+ \fi
 \pgfkeyslet{/pgfplots/surf shading/shading type}\pgfplotsretval%
 %
 \pgfplotsplothandlermesh@set@shader@colormap
diff --git a/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def b/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def
index 0046daa..b563732 100644
--- a/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def
+++ b/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def
@@ -61,7 +61,7 @@
 \pgfplotslibrarysurfusepath
 \endpgfpicture
 }%
- \immediate\saveboxresource resources{
+ \saveboxresource resources{
 /Pattern << \pgfplots@glob@TMPa >> % write the pattern resource dictionary
 }\pgfutil@tempboxa
 \leavevmode
diff --git a/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt b/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt
index b48d4a9..0ee8a16 100644
--- a/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt
+++ b/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt
@@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ local runners = {
             if trace then
                 report("resultof: %s",command)
             end
-            local handle = iopopen(command,"rb") -- already has flush
+            local handle = iopopen(command,"r") -- already has flush
             if handle then
                 local result = handle:read("*all") or ""
                 handle:close()
diff --git a/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt b/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt
index 0f21cf9..a9cfe02 100644
--- a/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt
+++ b/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt
@@ -510,7 +510,7 @@ local function featurecreep()
             return -- fatal error
         end
         local label = p.viewerprefix or ""
-        if p.status == v_stop then
+        if p.state == v_stop then
             if not stopped then
                 list[#list+1] = i - 1 -- pdf starts numbering at 0
                 list[#list+1] = pdfdictionary {


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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Jim]

Max (et al),

were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
to put the RGB change in?

And, if anyone has the will to push this (or add it in to a ConTeXt
distribution version), I'd still like the cmyk support, even if there is no
ability to specify colour profiles:

\def\pgfutil@emu@cmyk#1#2,#3,#4,#5\@nil
{
    \pgfmathsetmacro{\@red@}{(1 - #2) * (1 - #5)}%
    \pgfmathsetmacro{\@green@}{(1 - #3) * (1 - #5)}%
    \pgfmathsetmacro{\@blue@}{(1 - #4) * (1 - #5)}% 
    \expandafter\edef\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname
    {\noexpand\xcolor@ {}{}{rgb}{\@red@,\@green@,\@blue@}}
}

I don't see that it would hurt anything, even if it doesn't give complete
cmyk support.

Cheers.
                                Jim

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 17:18 (-0600), Max Chernoff wrote:

> Hi all,

> I've had a few patches applied to my installation for a little while
> now, so I figured that I should send them in. There's a diff at the end
> of the email, and the modified files are attached [but rejected by the
> mailing list, so sent separately to Hans]

>  * In the definition of "featurecreep()" in "lpdf-mis.lmt",
>    "structures.pages.tobesaved[i].status" should be "[...].state" to
> match the definition of "pages.save" in "strc-pag.lua". 

>  * For the "resultof" runner in "util-sbx.lmt", the current io.popen
> mode only works with Windows. See the definition of "l_checkmodep" in
>    "liolib.c".

>  * Some of the pgfplots 3D shaders appear to be broken,
> see https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/708121 .

>  * The TikZ "RGB" colour model does not currently work properly. This is
> internally used by "\usepgfplotslibrary[colorbrewer]" among others.
> See https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/pull/1130 .

> Thanks,
> -- Max


> diff --git a/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def b/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def
> index eddab09ab..66edb0980 100644
> --- a/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def
> +++ b/tex/generic/pgf/utilities/pgfutil-context.def
> @@ -26,8 +26,17 @@
>  \def\pgfutil@definecolor#1#2#3{\csname pgfutil@emu@#2\endcsname{#1}#3\@nil}

>  \def\pgfutil@emu@rgb#1#2,#3,#4\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{rgb}{#2,#3,#4}}}
> -\def\pgfutil@emu@gray#1#2\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{rgb}{#2,#2,#2}}}
> +\def\pgfutil@emu@gray#1#2\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{gray}{#2}}}
>  \def\pgfutil@emu@cmyk#1#2,#3,#4,#5\@nil{\expandafter\def\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{\xcolor@{}{}{cmyk}{#2,#3,#4,#5}}}
> +\def\pgfutil@emu@RGB#1#2,#3,#4\@nil{%
> +    \begingroup
> +    \pgfmathdivide@{#2}{255}\let\pgfutil@emu@RGB@r\pgfmathresult
> +    \pgfmathdivide@{#3}{255}\let\pgfutil@emu@RGB@g\pgfmathresult
> +    \pgfmathdivide@{#4}{255}\let\pgfutil@emu@RGB@b\pgfmathresult
> +    \edef\pgf@marshal{\def\expandafter\noexpand\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname{%
> +        \noexpand\xcolor@{}{}{rgb}{\pgfutil@emu@RGB@r,\pgfutil@emu@RGB@g,\pgfutil@emu@RGB@b}}}%
> +    \expandafter\endgroup\pgf@marshal
> +}


>  % no need for x colors (users can load it if needed)
> diff --git a/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex b/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex
> index 60d6274..106c490 100644
> --- a/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex
> +++ b/tex/generic/pgfplots/pgfplotsmeshplothandler.code.tex
> @@ -2804,6 +2804,9 @@
>  \def\pgfplotsretval{4}%
>  \fi
>  \fi
> + \if0\pgfplotsretval
> + \def\pgfplotsretval{5}
> + \fi
>  \pgfkeyslet{/pgfplots/surf shading/shading type}\pgfplotsretval%
>  %
>  \pgfplotsplothandlermesh@set@shader@colormap
> diff --git a/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def b/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def
> index 0046daa..b563732 100644
> --- a/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def
> +++ b/tex/generic/pgfplots/sys/pgflibrarypgfplots.surfshading.pgfsys-luatex.def
> @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@
>  \pgfplotslibrarysurfusepath
>  \endpgfpicture
>  }%
> - \immediate\saveboxresource resources{
> + \saveboxresource resources{
>  /Pattern << \pgfplots@glob@TMPa >> % write the pattern resource dictionary
>  }\pgfutil@tempboxa
>  \leavevmode
> diff --git a/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt b/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt
> index b48d4a9..0ee8a16 100644
> --- a/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt
> +++ b/tex/context/base/mkxl/util-sbx.lmt
> @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ local runners = {
> if trace then
> report("resultof: %s",command)
> end
> -            local handle = iopopen(command,"rb") -- already has flush
> +            local handle = iopopen(command,"r") -- already has flush
> if handle then
> local result = handle:read("*all") or ""
> handle:close()
> diff --git a/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt b/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt
> index 0f21cf9..a9cfe02 100644
> --- a/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt
> +++ b/tex/context/base/mkxl/lpdf-mis.lmt
> @@ -510,7 +510,7 @@ local function featurecreep()
> return -- fatal error
> end
> local label = p.viewerprefix or ""
> -        if p.status == v_stop then
> +        if p.state == v_stop then
> if not stopped then
> list[#list+1] = i - 1 -- pdf starts numbering at 0
> list[#list+1] = pdfdictionary {


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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jim wrote:

> Max (et al),
> 
> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
> to put the RGB change in?

We can patch some of the definitions of pgfutil-context.def in m-tikz if really needed, but it would be preferable to first check if tikz maintainers are willing to merge them upstream. 

Aditya
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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Max Chernoff]

Hi Aditya, Jim,

On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 01:53 +0100, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jim wrote:
> > were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
> > pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
> > to put the RGB change in?
>
> We can patch some of the definitions of pgfutil-context.def in m-tikz
> if really needed, but it would be preferable to first check if tikz
> maintainers are willing to merge them upstream.

Ah, okay. I was under the impression that the LMTX standalone
distribution carried a ton of TikZ patches and that ConTeXt patches
weren't really merged upstream, but it sounds like there are only a
couple small patches and upstream does merge ConTeXt patches. I'll
rebase my PR and check with upstream again. Thanks!

On Thu, 2024-03-14 at 20:53 -0300, Jim wrote:
> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
> to put the RGB change in?

I've seen a few TikZ bugs/patches resolved on this list, and I know that
the LMTX standalone distribution carries patches for TikZ (although
fewer than I thought?), so this seemed like the right place to start.

> And, if anyone has the will to push this (or add it in to a ConTeXt
> distribution version), I'd still like the cmyk support, even if there is no
> ability to specify colour profiles:
>
> \def\pgfutil(a)emu@cmyk#1#2,#3,#4,#5\@nil
> {
>     \pgfmathsetmacro{\@red@}{(1 - #2) * (1 - #5)}%
>     \pgfmathsetmacro{\@green@}{(1 - #3) * (1 - #5)}%
>     \pgfmathsetmacro{\@blue@}{(1 - #4) * (1 - #5)}%
>     \expandafter\edef\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname
>     {\noexpand\xcolor@ {}{}{rgb}{\@red@,\@green@,\@blue@}}
> }
>
> I don't see that it would hurt anything, even if it doesn't give complete
> cmyk support.

I need to rebase my current PGF PR anyways, so I'll add this in with it.

Thanks,
-- Max

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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/15/2024 12:18 AM, Max Chernoff wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've had a few patches applied to my installation for a little while
> now, so I figured that I should send them in. There's a diff at the end
> of the email, and the modified files are attached [but rejected by the
> mailing list, so sent separately to Hans]
> 
>   * In the definition of "featurecreep()" in "lpdf-mis.lmt",
>     "structures.pages.tobesaved[i].status" should be "[...].state" to
>     match the definition of "pages.save" in "strc-pag.lua".

ok, changed, i assume you tested it

>   * For the "resultof" runner in "util-sbx.lmt", the current io.popen
>     mode only works with Windows. See the definition of "l_checkmodep" in
>     "liolib.c".

i trust you on that (never run piped on linux, only on windows)

>   * Some of the pgfplots 3D shaders appear to be broken,
>     see https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/708121 .
>     
>   * The TikZ "RGB" colour model does not currently work properly. This is
>     internally used by "\usepgfplotslibrary[colorbrewer]" among others.
>     See https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/pull/1130 .

see mail by others

Thanks,

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/15/2024 12:53 AM, Jim wrote:
> Max (et al),
> 
> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
> to put the RGB change in?
> 
> And, if anyone has the will to push this (or add it in to a ConTeXt
> distribution version), I'd still like the cmyk support, even if there is no
> ability to specify colour profiles:
> 
> \def\pgfutil@emu@cmyk#1#2,#3,#4,#5\@nil
> {
>      \pgfmathsetmacro{\@red@}{(1 - #2) * (1 - #5)}%
>      \pgfmathsetmacro{\@green@}{(1 - #3) * (1 - #5)}%
>      \pgfmathsetmacro{\@blue@}{(1 - #4) * (1 - #5)}%
>      \expandafter\edef\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname
>      {\noexpand\xcolor@ {}{}{rgb}{\@red@,\@green@,\@blue@}}
> }
> 
> I don't see that it would hurt anything, even if it doesn't give complete
> cmyk support.
We provide

\pgf@context@registercolor
\pgf@context@registergray
\pgf@context@registerrgb
\pgf@context@registercmyk

in colo-ini that hook into the context color mechanism so be careful 
with patches. I'm not going to spend time on other solutions that can 
interfere with internals.

(I wonder when the moment comes that we have to take a snapshot of tikz 
and stay with that.)

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Jim]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:53 (+0100), Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jim wrote:

>> Max (et al),

>> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
>> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
>> to put the RGB change in?

> We can patch some of the definitions of pgfutil-context.def in m-tikz if
> really needed, but it would be preferable to first check if tikz
> maintainers are willing to merge them upstream.

Unfortunately, it seems that the maintainer feels that if we can't deal
with cmyk profiles, we shouldn't have cmyk at all.  I don't agree, but
that's where it ended.  (I was arguing for plain TeX support at the time in
the linked^2 message, but I was able to add the definition for cmyk to my
own macro file, so I was able to process examples with cmyk colours.)

                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Jim]

Hi Max,

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:30 (-0600), Max Chernoff wrote:

> Hi Aditya, Jim,

> On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 01:53 +0100, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jim wrote:
>>> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
>>> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
>>> to put the RGB change in?

>> We can patch some of the definitions of pgfutil-context.def in m-tikz
>> if really needed, but it would be preferable to first check if tikz
>> maintainers are willing to merge them upstream.

> Ah, okay. I was under the impression that the LMTX standalone
> distribution carried a ton of TikZ patches and that ConTeXt patches
> weren't really merged upstream, but it sounds like there are only a
> couple small patches and upstream does merge ConTeXt patches. I'll
> rebase my PR and check with upstream again. Thanks!

I hope your patches go through.

> On Thu, 2024-03-14 at 20:53 -0300, Jim wrote:
>> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
>> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
>> to put the RGB change in?

> I've seen a few TikZ bugs/patches resolved on this list, and I know that
> the LMTX standalone distribution carries patches for TikZ (although
> fewer than I thought?), so this seemed like the right place to start.

>> And, if anyone has the will to push this (or add it in to a ConTeXt
>> distribution version), I'd still like the cmyk support, even if there is no
>> ability to specify colour profiles:

>> \def\pgfutil(a)emu@cmyk#1#2,#3,#4,#5\@nil
>> {
>>     \pgfmathsetmacro{\@red@}{(1 - #2) * (1 - #5)}%
>>     \pgfmathsetmacro{\@green@}{(1 - #3) * (1 - #5)}%
>>     \pgfmathsetmacro{\@blue@}{(1 - #4) * (1 - #5)}%
>>     \expandafter\edef\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname
>>     {\noexpand\xcolor@ {}{}{rgb}{\@red@,\@green@,\@blue@}}
>> }

>> I don't see that it would hurt anything, even if it doesn't give complete
>> cmyk support.

> I need to rebase my current PGF PR anyways, so I'll add this in with it.

Thanks, I appreciate it.  Maybe since there are now two people known to be
looking for basic cmyk support, Henri will cast a more accepting eye on the
request.  :-)

Cheers.
                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Jim]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 09:44 (+0100), Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 3/15/2024 12:53 AM, Jim wrote:
>> Max (et al),

>> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
>> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
>> to put the RGB change in?

>> And, if anyone has the will to push this (or add it in to a ConTeXt
>> distribution version), I'd still like the cmyk support, even if there is no
>> ability to specify colour profiles:

>> \def\pgfutil@emu@cmyk#1#2,#3,#4,#5\@nil
>> {
>>      \pgfmathsetmacro{\@red@}{(1 - #2) * (1 - #5)}%
>>      \pgfmathsetmacro{\@green@}{(1 - #3) * (1 - #5)}%
>>      \pgfmathsetmacro{\@blue@}{(1 - #4) * (1 - #5)}%
>>      \expandafter\edef\csname\string\color@#1\endcsname
>>      {\noexpand\xcolor@ {}{}{rgb}{\@red@,\@green@,\@blue@}}
>> }

>> I don't see that it would hurt anything, even if it doesn't give complete
>> cmyk support.

> We provide

> \pgf@context@registercolor
> \pgf@context@registergray
> \pgf@context@registerrgb
> \pgf@context@registercmyk

> in colo-ini that hook into the context color mechanism so be careful with
> patches.  I'm not going to spend time on other solutions that can interfere
> with internals.

Thanks Hans, I was not familiar with those.  The above code worked fine for
me in plain TeX (the last time I used it, anyway).

By the looks of things, Max has a vastly better idea of ConTeXt internals
than I do, and if his proposed \pgfutil@emu@rgb doesn't break anything, it
might give some confidence that the above \pgfutil@emu#cmyk won't either.
(Yeah, I know, that is hardly a robust argument of anything.)

> (I wonder when the moment comes that we have to take a snapshot of tikz and
> stay with that.)

I hope that time doesn't come, because either someone (you? :-) would be
left with an on-going job of patching the snapshot, or ConTeXt's version of
tikz would become increasingly different (and, presumably, increasingly
less capable than the "mainline" version).

Cheers.

                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Hans Hagen]

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On 3/16/2024 2:10 PM, Jim wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:53 (+0100), Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jim wrote:
> 
>>> Max (et al),
> 
>>> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
>>> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
>>> to put the RGB change in?
> 
>> We can patch some of the definitions of pgfutil-context.def in m-tikz if
>> really needed, but it would be preferable to first check if tikz
>> maintainers are willing to merge them upstream.
> 
> Unfortunately, it seems that the maintainer feels that if we can't deal
> with cmyk profiles, we shouldn't have cmyk at all.  I don't agree, but
> that's where it ended.  (I was arguing for plain TeX support at the time in
> the linked^2 message, but I was able to add the definition for cmyk to my
> own macro file, so I was able to process examples with cmyk colours.)
What does the maintainer mean by that ... context can add profiles if 
configured to do so (best not to embed them) ... and why should there be 
a profile anyway ... crappy arguments .. especially because when i run

\usemodule[tikz]

\startTEXpage

\definecolor [colorone] [r=0,g=0,b=0.5]
\definecolor [colortwo] [c=0,m=1]

\starttikzpicture
     \fill [colorone] (0,0) circle(2) ; % rgb
     \fill [colortwo] (0,0) circle(1) ; % cmyk
\stoptikzpicture
\setupcolors[cmyk=no]
\starttikzpicture
     \fill [colorone] (0,0) circle(2) ; % rgb
     \fill [colortwo] (0,0) circle(1) ; % rgb
\stoptikzpicture

\stopTEXpage

here i get a pdf file with rgb and cmyk. Maybe I have an old tikz and 
something changed (wouldn't be the first time). So let's forget about 
maintainers and ugly hacks, and identify what is the real problem.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/16/2024 2:21 PM, Jim wrote:

> I hope that time doesn't come, because either someone (you? :-) would be

not me as i don't need tikz and so i wouldn't notice what functionality 
got adapted

> left with an on-going job of patching the snapshot, or ConTeXt's version of
> tikz would become increasingly different (and, presumably, increasingly
> less capable than the "mainline" version).
i guess it depends on what gets added .. maybe a bit of diffing to see 
if changes affect something or not before upgrading

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Jim]

On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 15:20 (+0100), Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 3/16/2024 2:10 PM, Jim wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:53 (+0100), Aditya Mahajan wrote:

>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jim wrote:

>>> > Max (et al),

>>> > were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
>>> > pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
>>> > to put the RGB change in?

>>> We can patch some of the definitions of pgfutil-context.def in m-tikz if
>>> really needed, but it would be preferable to first check if tikz
>>> maintainers are willing to merge them upstream.

>> Unfortunately, it seems that the maintainer feels that if we can't deal
>> with cmyk profiles, we shouldn't have cmyk at all.  I don't agree, but
>> that's where it ended.  (I was arguing for plain TeX support at the time in
>> the linked^2 message, but I was able to add the definition for cmyk to my
>> own macro file, so I was able to process examples with cmyk colours.)
> What does the maintainer mean by that ... context

The maintainer's comment was about plain TeX, not context.  Sorry if that
wasn't clear.

In any case, I should have sent my request to Max alone, rather than the
ntg-context list, because if Max was going to push something there, I was
hoping that a second appeal for cmyk colour support in plain would be
nice.  (I'm not quite ready to give up all of my plain TeX files.)

> can add profiles if configured to do so (best not to embed them) ... and
> why should there be a profile anyway ... crappy arguments ..

I agree about the colour profile, but the last time I poked that bear, my
pleas fell on deaf ears.

[And in summary, to be clear: I'm good with the colour support in ConTeXt!]

                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: PDF, runner, and TikZ patches

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/18/2024 1:31 AM, Jim wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 15:20 (+0100), Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> On 3/16/2024 2:10 PM, Jim wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:53 (+0100), Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> 
>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jim wrote:
> 
>>>>> Max (et al),
> 
>>>>> were you hoping the ConTeXt distribution would ship its own
>>>>> pgfutil-context.def, or were you hoping that someone could convince Henri
>>>>> to put the RGB change in?
> 
>>>> We can patch some of the definitions of pgfutil-context.def in m-tikz if
>>>> really needed, but it would be preferable to first check if tikz
>>>> maintainers are willing to merge them upstream.
> 
>>> Unfortunately, it seems that the maintainer feels that if we can't deal
>>> with cmyk profiles, we shouldn't have cmyk at all.  I don't agree, but
>>> that's where it ended.  (I was arguing for plain TeX support at the time in
>>> the linked^2 message, but I was able to add the definition for cmyk to my
>>> own macro file, so I was able to process examples with cmyk colours.)
>> What does the maintainer mean by that ... context
> 
> The maintainer's comment was about plain TeX, not context.  Sorry if that
> wasn't clear.

ah, good to know

> In any case, I should have sent my request to Max alone, rather than the
> ntg-context list, because if Max was going to push something there, I was
> hoping that a second appeal for cmyk colour support in plain would be
> nice.  (I'm not quite ready to give up all of my plain TeX files.)

if it's plain, indeed, too confusing otherwise (it's no problem asking 
plain questions here but in this tikz case kind of confusing)

>> can add profiles if configured to do so (best not to embed them) ... and
>> why should there be a profile anyway ... crappy arguments ..
> 
> I agree about the colour profile, but the last time I poked that bear, my
> pleas fell on deaf ears.

not even plain needs color profiles and i hope tikz doesn't add them

> [And in summary, to be clear: I'm good with the colour support in ConTeXt!]
ok

Hans


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