Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[a badin via ntg-context]

> From: juh+ntg-context@mailbox.org

> My main problem is that I never used Windows in my life and have no idea
> how to help people with installing lmtx on this platform.
>
> juh

I'm a beginner in context (and not a programmer by profession) and
installing lmtx on windows was very easy for me. the steps are on the
wiki https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installation and it is as easy as
it is written there. I've been using context thanks to these
installation steps on win 7 and win 10. I'm not sure what the
targetgroup at the conference is, but if the people there ever used a
commandline, they should be good to go. once you install, you open the
commandline using Win+R and then type "cmd". Once in the cmd, you only
need to know the command "cd" (change directory) to navigate to the
folder where the .tex source is, so e.g. "cd c:\users\x\documents\"
and then run "context test.tex". That is the manual way.

I use sublimetext as text editor and made a new build for it, that
when I press Ctrl+B saves all changes in the open file/folder and runs
context on the open file and previews the pdf in mupdf that is zoomed
to be 1:1 paper:print on my dpi. It's a bit like TeXworks, just press
button and see the pdf, because mupdf automatically overwrites the
open pdf without asking.

It's 4 hours by train for me to Bonn and I'm not sure whether I'm a
good candidate to teach people context due to my low skill, but I can
surely teach you how to install lmtx on windows if you like (we could
call or sth).

Best,
Andrej
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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[juh+ntg-context--- via ntg-context]

Dear Andrej and others,

Am 09.06.22 um 13:01 schrieb a badin via ntg-context:
> It's 4 hours by train for me to Bonn and I'm not sure whether I'm a
> good candidate to teach people context due to my low skill, but I can
> surely teach you how to install lmtx on windows if you like (we could
> call or sth).

Thanks a lot for this offer. Due to my hesitation and my holidays I 
submitted the workshop after the deadline of the FrOSCon CFP so I guess 
that there won't be a ConTeXt workshop this time.

But you never know, often deadlines were extended.

I'll keep you updated.

juh
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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[juh+ntg-context--- via ntg-context]

Am 21.06.22 um 09:37 schrieb juh+ntg-context--- via ntg-context:

> Thanks a lot for this offer. Due to my hesitation and my holidays I 
> submitted the workshop after the deadline of the FrOSCon CFP so I guess 
> that there won't be a ConTeXt workshop this time.
> 
> But you never know, often deadlines were extended.
> 
> I'll keep you updated.

My workshop was accepted. What shall I cover? It's a workshop for beginners?

- Installation
- Hello word

What would you cover? Project structure? Style creation?

I think one part will be: Where to find documentation?

Any hints appreciated.

And if you want to join me in the workshop you're welcome!

juh
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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 09.07.22 um 17:48 schrieb juh+ntg-context--- via ntg-context:
> My workshop was accepted. What shall I cover? It's a workshop for 
> beginners?
> - Installation
> - Hello word
> What would you cover? Project structure? Style creation?

In my experience, most participants will know LaTeX, i.e. you must tell 
them to forget everything they believe to know about TeX ;P

– Layout, i.e. \setuppapersize, \setuplayout and \showlayout
– Structure, i.e. \startchapter, \startitemize
– Images & Floats, i.e. \externalfigure, \startplacefigure

Project structure makes sense if you have more than one hour.

> I think one part will be: Where to find documentation?

Yes.

Tell them there will be a German book next year (I hope...); I’ll send 
you a link off-list.

I guess your Markdown workflow might interest some.

> And if you want to join me in the workshop you're welcome!

Sorry.

Hraban
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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 09.07.22 um 19:27 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context:
> Am 09.07.22 um 17:48 schrieb juh+ntg-context--- via ntg-context:
>> My workshop was accepted. What shall I cover? It's a workshop for 
>> beginners?
>> - Installation
>> - Hello word
>> What would you cover? Project structure? Style creation?
> 
> In my experience, most participants will know LaTeX, i.e. you must tell 
> them to forget everything they believe to know about TeX ;P

Oh, and don’t tell them that ConTeXt LMTX is much, much faster than any 
LaTeX, because that’s a secret ;)

(On the German list TeX-D-L some are discussing if LuaTeX is better than 
pdfTeX/XeTeX, and some are complaining that LuaLaTeX is too slow, of 
course...)

HR

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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 7/9/2022 7:49 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> Am 09.07.22 um 19:27 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context:
>> Am 09.07.22 um 17:48 schrieb juh+ntg-context--- via ntg-context:
>>> My workshop was accepted. What shall I cover? It's a workshop for 
>>> beginners?
>>> - Installation
>>> - Hello word
>>> What would you cover? Project structure? Style creation?
>>
>> In my experience, most participants will know LaTeX, i.e. you must 
>> tell them to forget everything they believe to know about TeX ;P
> 
> Oh, and don’t tell them that ConTeXt LMTX is much, much faster than any 
> LaTeX, because that’s a secret ;)
yes, we need to cherish the persistent myths (because it hides those 
secrets well)

- context is slow
- context needs too much memory
- context is like plain
- context can't do math
- context uses a runner for management
- context has no documentation
- context is not upward compatible
- context can't be used in production

we need two more for a top-ten

Hans

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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Floris van Manen via ntg-context]

On 09/07/2022 20:13, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> we need two more for a top-ten

= context is not for professionals
- context is dutch


;-)
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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 09.07.22 um 21:16 schrieb Floris van Manen via ntg-context:
> 
> 
> On 09/07/2022 20:13, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>> we need two more for a top-ten
> 
> = context is not for professionals
> - context is dutch

Only dodos do ConTeXt.

HR

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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 7/9/2022 9:30 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> Am 09.07.22 um 21:16 schrieb Floris van Manen via ntg-context:
>>
>>
>> On 09/07/2022 20:13, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>>> we need two more for a top-ten
>>
>> = context is not for professionals
>> - context is dutch
> 
> Only dodos do ConTeXt.
that's why dodo's are feattured in the upcoming math manual (among other 
animals)

Hans


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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context]

> Am 09.07.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> Tell them there will be a German book next year (I hope...); I’ll send you a link off-list.

I’m looking forward to your book.
In the meantime there is a short guide at:

https://github.com/AKielhorn/Context-Intro

Greetings
Axel

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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 10.07.22 um 08:36 schrieb Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context:
> 
> 
>> Am 09.07.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>
>> Tell them there will be a German book next year (I hope...); I’ll send you a link off-list.
> 
> I’m looking forward to your book.
> In the meantime there is a short guide at:
> 
> https://github.com/AKielhorn/Context-Intro

Thank you – I can’t remember you ever announced that?

I quickly looked through it and, of course, found a few things that I 
didn’t cover yet.

Hraban

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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 7/10/2022 8:36 AM, Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context wrote:
> 
> 
>> Am 09.07.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>
>> Tell them there will be a German book next year (I hope...); I’ll send you a link off-list.
> 
> I’m looking forward to your book.
> In the meantime there is a short guide at:
> 
> https://github.com/AKielhorn/Context-Intro
Just for the record: luametatex is *not* optimized for context, it just 
provides (rather generic) stuff not present in other engines that we can 
benefit from. That said: of course after decades of context we know what 
is missing in tex that we could benefit from, and we do. One distinction 
between luatex and luametatex is that we delegate some more to lua.

The reworked math engine is something that is probably very contextisch 
if only because other macro packages are locked into "chisseled in stone 
ams (and alike) math as the only thruthful and accepted by publishers 
way to do it" so there the "optimized" sort of applies, in the sense 
that we can fully benefit from it as well have extra features that make 
certain things possible.

Hans

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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context]

> Am 10.07.2022 um 10:22 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> Am 10.07.22 um 08:36 schrieb Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context:
>>> Am 09.07.2022 um 19:27 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>> 
>>> Tell them there will be a German book next year (I hope...); I’ll send you a link off-list.
>> I’m looking forward to your book.
>> In the meantime there is a short guide at:
>> https://github.com/AKielhorn/Context-Intro
> 
> Thank you – I can’t remember you ever announced that?

I did in 2018 and in return you send me an early version of your book.

> I quickly looked through it and, of course, found a few things that I didn’t cover yet.

Most of the things in there I learned on this mailing list.

Greetings
Axel
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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 10.07.22 um 16:43 schrieb Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context:
>> Thank you – I can’t remember you ever announced that?
> 
> I did in 2018 and in return you send me an early version of your book.

Ok, it’s been a while.

>> I quickly looked through it and, of course, found a few things that I didn’t cover yet.

Looking deeper, I also found a lot of errors.

> Most of the things in there I learned on this mailing list.

Me too. And of course at ConTeXt meetings
(hint: https://meeting.contextgarden.net/2022/)

Hraban
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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context]

> Am 10.07.2022 um 16:56 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> Am 10.07.22 um 16:43 schrieb Axel Kielhorn via ntg-context:
>>> Thank you – I can’t remember you ever announced that?
>> I did in 2018 and in return you send me an early version of your book.
> 
> Ok, it’s been a while.
> 
>>> I quickly looked through it and, of course, found a few things that I didn’t cover yet.
> 
> Looking deeper, I also found a lot of errors.

I appreciate your feedback.
Please contact me off list.

Greetings
Axel

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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

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Am 08.06.22 um 07:43 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context:
> Am 08.06.22 um 07:18 schrieb juh via ntg-context:
>> For the Developer Room we need at least three people willing to attend
>> the whole time at least for one day.
>>
>> If anyone would help me to organize a 2h-Bootstrap Workshop for ConTeXt
>> I would be very happy. Due to my holidays I am only available today and
>> I am unsure if I will have a stable internet connection from tomorrow
>> on. Sorry for the late announcement.
> 
> Hi Juh,
> I’d really like to help, since it’s also quite nearby for me, but the 
> date (August 20/21th) is just in the holidays I spent with my children, 
> sorry!

Very schade. That would've been fun. ;-)

My main problem is that I never used Windows in my life and have no idea 
how to help people with installing lmtx on this platform.

juh


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Re: Workshop at FrOSCon

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 08.06.22 um 07:18 schrieb juh via ntg-context:
> For the Developer Room we need at least three people willing to attend
> the whole time at least for one day.
> 
> If anyone would help me to organize a 2h-Bootstrap Workshop for ConTeXt
> I would be very happy. Due to my holidays I am only available today and
> I am unsure if I will have a stable internet connection from tomorrow
> on. Sorry for the late announcement.

Hi Juh,
I’d really like to help, since it’s also quite nearby for me, but the 
date (August 20/21th) is just in the holidays I spent with my children, 
sorry!

Hraban
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Workshop at FrOSCon

[juh via ntg-context]

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Dear all,

this year there will be a real life FrOSCon in Bonn Sankt Augustin at
the Fachhochschule Rhein-Sieg again.

https://www.froscon.org/cfp/cfpapers/

I am considering to submit a workshop to bootstrap people with ConTeXt,
but I am not the best one to do this. So I would like to discuss if we
as a community can do something.

There are several possibilities:

1. Developer Room
https://www.froscon.org/cfp/cfprojects/

This is a room where a project can organize their own schedule. They can
programme, give talks or workshops. I've done some of these in the
recent years together with the Zope/Plone Community, the Python
Community or Hostsharing. It was always great fun.

2. Workshop

A workshop is scheduled in the main programme of FrOSCon. Duration: 2h.
I think that this is a good schedule to bootstrap people with LMTX and
for the first hello world steps.

3. Booth

I guess that Dante will have a booth as they had the years before.

4. A talk. I am pondering if I should submit a talk about our production
at Hostsharing but typesetting does not fit nicely in the main topics of
the conference.

Deadline is 2022-06-12.

For the Developer Room we need at least three people willing to attend
the whole time at least for one day.

If anyone would help me to organize a 2h-Bootstrap Workshop for ConTeXt
I would be very happy. Due to my holidays I am only available today and
I am unsure if I will have a stable internet connection from tomorrow
on. Sorry for the late announcement.

Ciao!
juh
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