* french quotation marks
@ 2022-07-12 19:51 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2022-07-26 9:48 ` Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2022-07-12 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi, according to my knowledge (and also Wikipedia), French uses « … » as
double (\quotation) and ‹ … › as single (\quote) quotation marks.
The current setting in ConTeXt however is « … » for both, just with less
spacing for \quote.
If no francophone user objects I’d suggest to fix this.
Hraban
\mainlanguage[fr]
\starttext
\quotation{\quote{Wikipédia} est un projet d’encyclopédie collective en
ligne, universelle, multilingue et fonctionnant sur le principe du
\quotation{wiki}.}
\stoptext
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* Re: french quotation marks
2022-07-12 19:51 french quotation marks Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2022-07-26 9:48 ` Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context
2022-07-26 11:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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From: Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context @ 2022-07-26 9:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Arthur Rosendahl
On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 09:51:35PM +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi, according to my knowledge (and also Wikipedia), French uses « … » as
> double (\quotation) and ‹ … › as single (\quote) quotation marks.
>
> The current setting in ConTeXt however is « … » for both, just with less
> spacing for \quote.
> If no francophone user objects I’d suggest to fix this.
I object :-) Single chevrons are not used at all in typography from
France. I read however on https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemet that
they are in Switzerland, hence if that can be confirmed there could be
an option for Swiss French; but in the mean time I think that the
current setup should stay as it is.
Best,
Arthur
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* Re: french quotation marks
2022-07-26 9:48 ` Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context
@ 2022-07-26 11:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2022-07-26 18:13 ` Alan via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2022-07-26 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 26.07.22 um 11:48 schrieb Arthur Rosendahl:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 09:51:35PM +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
>> Hi, according to my knowledge (and also Wikipedia), French uses « … » as
>> double (\quotation) and ‹ … › as single (\quote) quotation marks.
>>
>> The current setting in ConTeXt however is « … » for both, just with less
>> spacing for \quote.
>> If no francophone user objects I’d suggest to fix this.
>
> I object :-) Single chevrons are not used at all in typography from
> France. I read however on https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemet that
> they are in Switzerland, hence if that can be confirmed there could be
> an option for Swiss French; but in the mean time I think that the
> current setup should stay as it is.
Ok, thank you!
So the German Wikipedia as well as “DUDEN Satz und Korrektur“ are wrong.
Hraban
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* Re: french quotation marks
2022-07-26 11:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2022-07-26 18:13 ` Alan via ntg-context
2022-07-26 18:26 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Alan via ntg-context @ 2022-07-26 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context; +Cc: Alan
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:38:34 +0200
Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> Am 26.07.22 um 11:48 schrieb Arthur Rosendahl:
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 09:51:35PM +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm via
> > ntg-context wrote:
> >> Hi, according to my knowledge (and also Wikipedia), French uses «
> >> … » as double (\quotation) and ‹ … › as single (\quote) quotation
> >> marks.
> >>
> >> The current setting in ConTeXt however is « … » for both, just
> >> with less spacing for \quote.
> >> If no francophone user objects I’d suggest to fix this.
> >
> > I object :-) Single chevrons are not used at all in typography
> > from France. I read however on
> > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemet that they are in
> > Switzerland, hence if that can be confirmed there could be an
> > option for Swiss French; but in the mean time I think that the
> > current setup should stay as it is.
>
> Ok, thank you!
> So the German Wikipedia as well as “DUDEN Satz und Korrektur“ are
> wrong.
I agree with Arthur. The use of < > would be an anglicism.
Alan
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* Re: french quotation marks
2022-07-26 18:13 ` Alan via ntg-context
@ 2022-07-26 18:26 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2022-07-26 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Here is what the french Wikipedia page says:
Méthode avec doubles guillemets-apostrophes : « L’ouvreuse m’a dit : “Donnez-moi votre ticket.” Je le lui ai donné. »
Recommandée en français canadien[19],[20] et utilisée par de nombreuses publications françaises tel que le journal Le Monde[21].
Méthode avec doubles guillemets répétés : « L’ouvreuse m’a dit : « Donnez-moi votre ticket. » Je le lui ai donné. »
Recommandée par l'Imprimerie nationale et aussi sur Wikipédia en français, conformément à ses conventions typographiques. Noter que l’Imprimerie nationale recommande l’omission de l’un des guillemets fermants en cas de cumul de guillemets quand une citation se termine sur une citation incluse[22].
Méthode avec simples guillemets : « L’ouvreuse m’a dit : ‹ Donnez-moi votre ticket. › Je le lui ai donné. »
Recommandée en typographie suisse, avec des espaces fines insécables[23].
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Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> im Auftrag von Alan via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Juli 2022 20:13:43
An: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
Cc: Alan
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] french quotation marks
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 13:38:34 +0200
Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> Am 26.07.22 um 11:48 schrieb Arthur Rosendahl:
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 09:51:35PM +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm via
> > ntg-context wrote:
> >> Hi, according to my knowledge (and also Wikipedia), French uses «
> >> … » as double (\quotation) and ‹ … › as single (\quote) quotation
> >> marks.
> >>
> >> The current setting in ConTeXt however is « … » for both, just
> >> with less spacing for \quote.
> >> If no francophone user objects I’d suggest to fix this.
> >
> > I object :-) Single chevrons are not used at all in typography
> > from France. I read however on
> > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemet that they are in
> > Switzerland, hence if that can be confirmed there could be an
> > option for Swiss French; but in the mean time I think that the
> > current setup should stay as it is.
>
> Ok, thank you!
> So the German Wikipedia as well as “DUDEN Satz und Korrektur“ are
> wrong.
I agree with Arthur. The use of < > would be an anglicism.
Alan
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