Hyphenation LuaTeX

Hyphenation LuaTeX

[MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ]

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Hi:
When I compile a document with the following preamble:


\mainlanguage[es]

%\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]

\usemodule[simplefonts]

\setuplanguage[es][patterns={es,agr}]

\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [Old Standard] [range={greekandcoptic, greekextended}, force=yes, rscale=auto]

\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Schola]

\setupbodyfont[mainface,11pt]



\starttext

...

\stoptext

with Context LuaTeX, hyphenation patterns work for Greek, but not for Spanish. I do the compilation with Mac. Any ideas to solve it?

Thanks
Manuel González.

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Re: Hyphenation LuaTeX

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2020-01-17 um 12:05 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ <gonzalezsmanuel@uniovi.es>:
> 
> Hi:
> When I compile a document with the following preamble:
> 
> \mainlanguage[es]
> %\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setuplanguage[es][patterns={es,agr}]
> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [Old Standard] [range={greekandcoptic, greekextended}, force=yes, rscale=auto]
> \definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Schola]
> \setupbodyfont[mainface,11pt]

I suspect "patterns" understands only one file, as far as I understood the source, but don’t trust me on this.

When you mark your Greek passages with {\agr ἡ Ἑλληνικὴ γλῶσσα} (or \language[agr] instead of \agr), you should get the right pattern without that setup.

The module simplefonts is obsolete since 2013.

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Re: Hyphenation LuaTeX

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 17.01.20 12:55, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> I suspect "patterns" understands only one file, as far as I understood the source, but don’t trust me on this.
> 
> When you mark your Greek passages with {\agr ἡ Ἑλληνικὴ γλῶσσα} (or \language[agr] instead of \agr), you should get the right pattern without that setup.

No, since the patterns for Spanish and Greek are utf8, they can 
co-exist, there's no need to mark the Greek passages.

> 
> The module simplefonts is obsolete since 2013.

Yes, that's right.

I get both Spanish and Greek hyphenation in a test file:

\mainlanguage[es]
\setuplanguage[es][patterns={es,agr}]
\setupbodyfont[gentium,11pt]

\starttext
\hyphenatedword{ἄνθρωπος selección}
\stoptext

If this fails for OP, he will have to produce a real example, taking out 
irrelevant parts and telling us which version he uses. In the original 
example, there was only "..." which of course doesn't hyphenate.

Thomas
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Re: Hyphenation LuaTeX

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2020-01-17 um 13:04 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ <gonzalezsmanuel@uniovi.es>:
> 
> Thanks very much, but if the module simplefonts is obsolete, What should I indicate in the preamble to write with both languages?

Your font setup should be good without trying to load that module (that doesn’t do anything anymore anyway).

Just \mainlanguage[es] and \language[agr] (= \agr) where you need it should be enough.
You can’t expect ConTeXt to auto-detect your language, even if that maybe would work for Greek.
(My texts are usually in German, thus I have \mainlanguage[de] and use \en or \fr to markup foreign quotes.

Correct me if I miss something.


> When you mark your Greek passages with {\agr ἡ Ἑλληνικὴ γλῶσσα} (or \language[agr] instead of \agr), you should get the right pattern without that setup.
> 
> The module simplefonts is obsolete since 2013.
> 
> Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: Hyphenation LuaTeX

[Arthur Reutenauer]

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:51:42PM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Just \mainlanguage[es] and \language[agr] (= \agr) where you need it should be enough.

  As Thomas said, that shouldn’t be necessary.

> You can’t expect ConTeXt to auto-detect your language, even if that maybe would work for Greek.
> (My texts are usually in German, thus I have \mainlanguage[de] and use \en or \fr to markup foreign quotes.
> 
> Correct me if I miss something.

  Since the two patterns sets Manuel wants to load use two different
writing systems, you can mix them without risking bad interactions.  It
effectively means using a pattern set that is the union of the Spanish
and Ancient Greek patterns, the former are used when hyphenating Spanish
words without affecting the Greek text, and vice-versa.  No language
detection (or markup) is necessary.

	Best,

		Arthur
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Re: Hyphenation LuaTeX

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2020-01-17 um 15:36 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer <arthur.reutenauer@normalesup.org>:
> 
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:51:42PM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Just \mainlanguage[es] and \language[agr] (= \agr) where you need it should be enough.
> 
>  As Thomas said, that shouldn’t be necessary.
> 
>> You can’t expect ConTeXt to auto-detect your language, even if that maybe would work for Greek.
>> (My texts are usually in German, thus I have \mainlanguage[de] and use \en or \fr to markup foreign quotes.
>> 
>> Correct me if I miss something.
> 
>  Since the two patterns sets Manuel wants to load use two different
> writing systems, you can mix them without risking bad interactions.  It
> effectively means using a pattern set that is the union of the Spanish
> and Ancient Greek patterns, the former are used when hyphenating Spanish
> words without affecting the Greek text, and vice-versa.  No language
> detection (or markup) is necessary.

Thank you for the clarification!

That means, I can mix e.g. {de,agr,ru} but not {de,en}, right?


But apparently the combined patterns didn’t work for the OP.
Of course, no MWE to check…


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Re: Hyphenation LuaTeX

[Arthur Reutenauer]

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 03:44:58PM +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Thank you for the clarification!

  You’re welcome :-)

> That means, I can mix e.g. {de,agr,ru} but not {de,en}, right?

  Exactly.  In the latter case, even with both languages marked up, the
mix of two completely different pattern sets is likely to be a disaster
(actually, even the full set of US English patterns contains some later
additions and isn’t completely consistent with itself ...)

> But apparently the combined patterns didn’t work for the OP.

  That’s of course a problem, but no insight into that, sorry Manuel.

	Best,

		Arthur
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Re: Hyphenation LuaTeX

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 1/17/20 12:05 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
> Hi:
> When I compile a document with the following preamble:
> [...]
> \usemodule[simplefonts]

Hi Manuel,

as Hraban and Thomas mentioned, the module has been deprecated.

The commands \definefallbackfamily, \definefontfamily and \setupbodyfont
are standard ConTeXt commands, they don’t require any module.

> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [Old Standard]
> [range={greekandcoptic, greekextended}, force=yes, rscale=auto]

"preset=range:greek" might replace "range={greekandcoptic, greekextended}".

Just in case it helps,

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