Re: [NTG-context] This is rmally done by loading special math fonts into the math family slots.

[Carlos via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>]

On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 05:28:11PM -0400, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 07:00:15PM +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> > 
> > On 5/9/2023 6:24 PM, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:
> > 
> > > With that being said, in that sense (not that I need it though, to be
> > > honest), the luatex lmtx approach is more of an instant gratification,
> > > whereas with latex and the metrics of the file afterwards, any math
> > > environment is certainly possible, while loading myriad and minion et co
> > > without an error
> > > 
> > > I still stand for what I said earlier. That lot and their heirs already
> > > made their money by shoving down acroread all over. It's no secret
> > Normally context will fall bakc on latin modern but when you explicitly load
> > a font setup and that one doesn't have math fonts it will not be set up
> > right and then you get these parameter relates messages. The minion math
> > font is supported when you have it installed although we're not sure if the
> > tweaks will work okay. I only have an old evaluation copy that I can't use
> > outside testing anyway, and I don't have the minion fonts that can be used
> > in documents (acrobat fonts are only for display) so I never use minion
> > anyway.
> > 
> > Although every math environment is possible (after all there are not than
> > manyu math fonts) one always has to match them properly with serif and sans
> > fonts (relative scaling etc).
> > 
> > When someone wants support for some commercial font, they have to buy us a
> > few copies with no constraints. (Normally in a project we just get them
> > anyway.) There are plenty of examples in the type-imp-* files that show the
> > way.
> > 
> > Hans
> 
> Thanks for the info Hans. I'll check it out again. About a month or
> so ago I went over the fonts used in  math with luatex lmtx  and it
> was more of a refreshing course than anything else. TeX Gyre and so
> forth. And a  similar approach which I used in handling these fonts
> in mkii before.
> 
> Recently someone made the suggestion of working or the intent to work or
> the suggestion or whatever of tackling mnssymbol on luatex. I don't know about
> that but.. I don't know. Perhaps I misunderstood
> 
> I've used this family of minion and myriad before, but I still think
> it has the same audience than the glyphs used by the chinese at the
> beginning of the typesetting history> weddings, funerals, pamphlets,
> etiquette cards, calendars, arithmetic tables and so forth. It has more
> flare than perhaps a lucida. But the latter, subjectively speaking,
> is perhaps more dry but also more straightforward and legible. For me
> anyway.
> 

By the way. Slightly unrelated to all of this but your paper on tug
about the adjustments to lucida is impressive.

https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb43-3/tb135hagen-lucida.pdf

But lucida is also just an uncial descendant. Bland, squashed, and
easily complex to adjust because of those very same features. Lo
and behold if anything like that is tried out on minion for that
matter. But for readability purposes, lucida is definitely a step ahead. 
This is all subjective of course. 

thanks for that work and paper on lucida Hans, Mikael


> But when I see that a simple page and nothing fancy really, cannot be
> processed under lmtx no matter how much tweaking is performed under
> the hood something is not quite right
> 
> the same (similar) screenshot attached here is under latex. Something
> similar is what I wanted to have, but couldn't.
> 
> I'll check out your suggestion. Thanks again Hans
> 
> 
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
> >               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
> >        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > ___________________________________________________________________________________
> > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
> > 
> > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> > webpage  : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
> > archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
> > wiki     : https://contextgarden.net
> > ___________________________________________________________________________________
> > 
> 
> -- 
> AmigaDOS Beer: The company has gone out of business, but their recipe has
> been picked up by some weird German company, so now this beer will be an
> import.  This beer never really sold very well because the original
> manufacturer didn't understand marketing. Like Unix Beer, AmigaDOS Beer
> fans are an extremely loyal and loud group. It originally came in a
> 16-oz. can, but now comes in 32-oz.  cans too.  When this can was
> originally introduced, it appeared flashy and colorful, but the design
> hasn't changed much over the years, so it appears dated now.  Critics of
> this beer claim that it is only meant for watching TV anyway.


> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
> 
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> webpage  : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
> archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
> wiki     : https://contextgarden.net
> ___________________________________________________________________________________


-- 
	A novice was trying to fix a broken lisp machine by turning the
power off and on.  Knight, seeing what the student was doing spoke sternly,
"You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding
of what is going wrong."  Knight turned the machine off and on.  The
machine worked.

___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : https://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________