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From: Alan Glasser <alanglasser@gmail.com>
To: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] PL/I stuff - was: Book Recommendation
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 17:33:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0ABB7ECD-049B-4993-938F-82BC924E0F39@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKr6gn274v1cYZV=R3kStLaTq8L5ipFGT5hmgDaEvfs_o3pwtQ@mail.gmail.com>

In my experience 9 track tapes were not guaranteed to be readable after some interval. In fact, a standard operations procedure was to copy important tapes to new media periodically. 

I distinctly remember a rather catastrophic error in the AT&T Worldnet ISP mail system. It was running a third party email server product on a large cluster of big Sun boxes. A new release was installed. It had bugs and curdled all of the customers’ data. It got backed out and a huge restore from backup effort began, only to find that a bunch of recently written tapes were unreadable.  Needless to say, we had unhappy customers and, if I remember correctly, some very negative press in the WSJ and the NY Times. 

 - Alan

> On Nov 24, 2021, at 9:06 PM, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
> 
> I have a relative who is an archivist, the sister-discipline to
> librarians (Mike Lesk was at heart I think, in the library most the
> time time. I say this, because I always think about Mike when the
> topic of data and libraries comes up. He was nice to me at UCL and I
> have a soft spot for anyone who was nice to me.)
> 
> Anyway, She tells me that the primary role of archivists is to help
> people throw things away.
> 
> As a (sometime) scientist in (mostly) data, I know I have serial
> hoarding disease. But I also know that NASA and other agencies only
> found some things, by going back into the stacks to re-read old tapes,
> without the "noise reduction filter" which had taken signal out.
> 
> So I feel your pain, loosing the tapes will have hurt. But I also know
> along the path in time, Somebody had a role to play, curating the data
> into the modern era. You're not alone, the BBC had this problem in
> spades, re-using Umatic tape to save money. Ephemeral content which
> turns out to be in some cases the probably only copy of what is data
> to us now, but was junk to them then.
> 
> -G

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-26 22:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-16 14:57 [TUHS] " Douglas McIlroy
2021-11-16 15:22 ` Richard Salz
2021-11-16 15:52 ` Ron Natalie
2021-11-23  2:28 ` Mary Ann Horton
2021-11-23  7:57   ` Henry Bent
2021-11-23  8:10     ` arnold
2021-11-23  8:28       ` Henry Bent
2021-11-23 17:26     ` Adam Thornton
2021-11-23 18:54       ` Ron Natalie
2021-11-23 19:04         ` Al Kossow
2021-11-23 19:39           ` Lawrence Stewart
2021-11-23 19:08       ` Ron Natalie
2021-11-23 21:54   ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-11-24 15:18     ` Richard Salz
2021-11-24 15:45       ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-24 18:34       ` Rich Morin
2021-11-24 18:40         ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-24 19:39           ` Clem Cole
2021-11-24 20:02             ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-26 19:49               ` [TUHS] AIX/SMIT (was Book Recommendation) Greg A. Woods
2021-11-25 10:26           ` [TUHS] Book Recommendation Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2021-11-25 12:20             ` [TUHS] AIX/SMIT (was Re: Book Recommendation) Stuart Remphrey
2021-11-24 20:13       ` [TUHS] Book Recommendation arnold
2021-11-24 20:18         ` Will Senn
2021-11-25  7:22         ` arnold
2021-11-24 20:15       ` Rob Pike
2021-11-24 20:21         ` joe mcguckin
2021-11-24 20:27         ` Rob Pike
2021-11-24 21:27           ` Richard Salz
2021-11-24 22:19       ` Charles Anthony
2021-11-24 22:29         ` [TUHS] PL/I stuff - was: " Will Senn
2021-11-24 23:00           ` Rob Pike
2021-11-24 23:13             ` Richard Salz
2021-11-25  1:48           ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
2021-11-25  2:03             ` George Michaelson
2021-11-25 14:47               ` Clem Cole
2021-11-26 22:20                 ` Alan Glasser
2021-11-26 22:33               ` Alan Glasser [this message]
2021-11-27  0:23               ` Dennis Boone
2021-11-27  0:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2021-11-27  0:47                   ` Charles H. Sauer
2021-11-27  2:43                     ` Alan Glasser
2021-11-27  0:56                   ` Warner Losh
2021-11-24 23:54 Douglas McIlroy
2021-11-25 16:35 ` Paul Winalski
2021-11-25 18:15   ` Steve Nickolas
2021-11-26 16:59   ` Paul Winalski
2021-11-26 20:30     ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2021-11-26 21:22       ` John Cowan
2021-11-27  0:01         ` George Michaelson
2021-11-27 16:12           ` Paul Winalski
2021-11-27 15:25 Noel Chiappa
2021-11-27 15:53 ` Charles H Sauer

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