[TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

[TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

[Aharon Robbins]

> > Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part 2.
>
> you can find many of the documents cited in this issue in the
> UNIX Programmer's Manual for the Seventh Edition, Volume 2B,
> which is included, for example, in the package
> http://telexx.mni.fh-giessen.de/PDP11-UNIX/unix-v7-3.tar.gz

The manual can also be gotten online, in postscript and PDF and troff
from http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan.

Arnold

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[Roger Willcocks]

> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
> C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
> mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
> creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in
> titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.

> And yes, the rest of the article did look okay, around that.

...um... see http://www.bell-labs.com/news/1999/april/28/1.html:

"Ritchie and Thompson Receive National Medal of Technology from President
Clinton"

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[Hellwig.Geisse]

Hi Gregg,

On 13-Apr-2004 Gregg C Levine wrote:
> [..]
> Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part
> 2. They claimed that they could not find it. Knowing what I know now
> about the way that library works, it only confirms that they were
> right. However its been on my schedule to find, since then. Probably
> this week, since you've brought it up.

you can find many of the documents cited in this issue in the
UNIX Programmer's Manual for the Seventh Edition, Volume 2B,
which is included, for example, in the package
http://telexx.mni.fh-giessen.de/PDP11-UNIX/unix-v7-3.tar.gz

Regards,
Hellwig

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[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
Funny you should be bringing that into the subject, Greg! Every time I
booted an image from the repository here, at TUHS, or directly from
the home SIMH site, I didn't bother to check those features. I just
managed to login, and do what prompted me to do that. The next time I
do so, which should be this week, I'll certainly look for it.

And I thought this would be a short thread.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:grog at lemis.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:21 AM
> To: Michael Davidson; Gregg C Levine; Norman Wilson
> Cc: 'Kenneth Stailey'; tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on
Salon.com
> 
> On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 15:29:36 -0700, Michael Davidson wrote:
> >> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> >> An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books.
I
> >> haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy
in the
> >> article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but,
here
> >> goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of
the
> >> book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the
other
> >> fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.
> >
> > I'm not sure what discrepancy you are referring to - the article
looked
> > quite accurate to me.
> >
> > Which particular "other fellow" are you thinking of?
> 
> On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 19:40:31 -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on
the
> > C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie,
are
> > mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in
the
> > creation of UNIX,
> 
> Not that I'm a great believer in religion, but this comes close to
> sacrilege.  I would have thought that people on this forum (you,
> Gregg, certainly included) would have known that ken and dmr (to use
> their login names) are so much the basis of UNIX that up to and
> including the Sixth Edition the directory tree was divided into two
> directories named after them:
> 
>    === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /home/grog 24 -> cd
/src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition/
>    === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition 25 -> ls
-l usr/sys/
>    total 1
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   3016 Jul 18  1975 buf.h
>    dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 19  1975 conf
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    916 May 14  1975 conf.h
>    dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 18  1975 dmr
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    407 May 14  1975 file.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    949 May 14  1975 filsys.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    533 May 14  1975 ino.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1693 Jul 18  1975 inode.h
>    dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 18  1975 ken
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel  58990 Jul 18  1975 lib1
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel  45578 Jul 18  1975 lib2
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2147 May 14  1975 param.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1481 Jul 18  1975 proc.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    274 May 14  1975 reg.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    900 Jul 18  1975 run
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    533 Jul 18  1975 seg.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1749 May 14  1975 systm.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    380 May 14  1975 text.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2320 May 14  1975 tty.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2842 Jul 18  1975 user.h
>    === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition 26 ->
> 
> "The other fellow" indeed!  As dmr says, he wrote more code than he
> and Kernighan put together (though in this source tree their input
is
> remarkably balanced).
> 
> On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 20:01:26 -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:
> >   Hello from Gregg C Levine
> >   Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book
on the
> >   C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie,
are
> >   mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in
the
> >   creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book
mentioned in
> >   titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.
> >
> > Ken's name is on a number of interesting papers from the early
days of
> > UNIX, including the original one in CACM, but so far as I can
remember
> > he was never the official author or co-author of a UNIX book.  You
may
> > be thinking of `The UNIX Programming Environment,' by Kernighan
and Pike.
> >
> > I suppose those who don't know both Ken Thompson and Rob Pike
might
> > confuse them, especially since (I think) they both reside in the
Bay
> > Area now.
> 
> I've never seen ken without a beard, though there's a photo of him
> without one taken a very long time ago.  I've never seen Rob Pike
with
> a beard.
> 
> > They are certainly different people; I have seen them in the same
> > room many times.
> 
> Ah, the marvels of time-sharing!
> 
> Greg
> --
> Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen.
> Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key.
> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.

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[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
Not quite Carl. More like behind schedule. When I got started in this,
about a year earlier, or maybe more like two years earlier, the
library where I did most of my research didn't have the copy of the
Journal available that you thought of, in your next message. This one,
Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part
2. They claimed that they could not find it. Knowing what I know now
about the way that library works, it only confirms that they were
right. However its been on my schedule to find, since then. Probably
this week, since you've brought it up.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org
[mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On
> Behalf Of Carl Lowenstein
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:36 AM
> To: tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on
Salon.com
> 
> > From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net>
> > To: "'Kenneth Stailey'" <kstailey at yahoo.com>, <tuhs at tuhs.org>
> > Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on
Salon.com
> > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:51:11 -0400
> >
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books.
I
> > haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in
the
> > article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but,
here
> > goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of
the
> > book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the
other
> > fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.
> 
> By "the other fellow" do you mean Ken Thompson?
> If so, you are far behind in your knowledge of Unix history.
> 
>     carl
> --
>     carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
>                                                  clowenst at ucsd.edu
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[TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 15:29:36 -0700, Michael Davidson wrote:
>> Hello from Gregg C Levine
>> An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books. I
>> haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in the
>> article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but, here
>> goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of the
>> book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the other
>> fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.
>
> I'm not sure what discrepancy you are referring to - the article looked
> quite accurate to me.
>
> Which particular "other fellow" are you thinking of?

On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 19:40:31 -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
> C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
> mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
> creation of UNIX,

Not that I'm a great believer in religion, but this comes close to
sacrilege.  I would have thought that people on this forum (you,
Gregg, certainly included) would have known that ken and dmr (to use
their login names) are so much the basis of UNIX that up to and
including the Sixth Edition the directory tree was divided into two
directories named after them:

   === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /home/grog 24 -> cd /src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition/
   === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition 25 -> ls -l usr/sys/
   total 1
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   3016 Jul 18  1975 buf.h
   dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 19  1975 conf
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    916 May 14  1975 conf.h
   dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 18  1975 dmr
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    407 May 14  1975 file.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    949 May 14  1975 filsys.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    533 May 14  1975 ino.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1693 Jul 18  1975 inode.h
   dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 18  1975 ken
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel  58990 Jul 18  1975 lib1
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel  45578 Jul 18  1975 lib2
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2147 May 14  1975 param.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1481 Jul 18  1975 proc.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    274 May 14  1975 reg.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    900 Jul 18  1975 run
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    533 Jul 18  1975 seg.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1749 May 14  1975 systm.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    380 May 14  1975 text.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2320 May 14  1975 tty.h
   -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2842 Jul 18  1975 user.h
   === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition 26 -> 

"The other fellow" indeed!  As dmr says, he wrote more code than he
and Kernighan put together (though in this source tree their input is
remarkably balanced).

On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 20:01:26 -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:
>   Hello from Gregg C Levine
>   Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
>   C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
>   mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
>   creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in
>   titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.
>
> Ken's name is on a number of interesting papers from the early days of
> UNIX, including the original one in CACM, but so far as I can remember
> he was never the official author or co-author of a UNIX book.  You may
> be thinking of `The UNIX Programming Environment,' by Kernighan and Pike.
>
> I suppose those who don't know both Ken Thompson and Rob Pike might
> confuse them, especially since (I think) they both reside in the Bay
> Area now.

I've never seen ken without a beard, though there's a photo of him
without one taken a very long time ago.  I've never seen Rob Pike with
a beard.

> They are certainly different people; I have seen them in the same
> room many times.

Ah, the marvels of time-sharing!

Greg
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[Carl Lowenstein]

> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "'Norman Wilson'" <norman at nose.cs.utoronto.ca>, <tuhs at tuhs.org>
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:19:56 -0400
> 
> Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
> I believe your right. And I am willing to concede the points regarding
> the two gentlemen in question. However, all of the documents I have
> seen within the past ten years regarding the birth, and history of
> UNIX, all have mentioned both Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie are
> mentioned. Complete with the appropriately selected story as well.
> 
> I suspect however, that in that early paper, Ken Thompson is indeed
> mentioned, however the web page in question does not go into enough
> detail, as it should.   
> 
> And regarding the book, your right. I've got my copy of the C book
> across the room, and normally don't refer to it unless necessary.

You know, Unix is not 100% identical to C.

Before continuing this line of discussion, you really should find a copy of
Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part 2
where Ritchie and Thomson describe the design of Unix.

    carl
-- 
    carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
                                                 clowenst at ucsd.edu

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[Carl Lowenstein]

> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "'Kenneth Stailey'" <kstailey at yahoo.com>, <tuhs at tuhs.org>
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:51:11 -0400
> 
> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books. I
> haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in the
> article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but, here
> goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of the
> book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the other
> fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.

By "the other fellow" do you mean Ken Thompson?
If so, you are far behind in your knowledge of Unix history.

    carl
-- 
    carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
                                                 clowenst at ucsd.edu

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[Michael Davidson]

> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
> C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
> mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
> creation of UNIX,

Yes, I thought you might have been referring to Ken Thompson, but I wasn't
sure.

The Salon article refers to:

"Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie, the two Bell Labs employees who created
 Unix and the C programming language"

I suspect that the only real inaccuracy here is that (as both Dennis and Ken
would
be quick to point out) UNIX was the result of a collaborative effort
involving
more than just two people, but if one had to pick just two names then they
would
undoubtedly have to be Ritchie and Thompson ...

... and if Thompson isn't normally closely associated with the development
of C
it's worth remembering that without "B" there would have been no "C" ...

http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/kbman.html

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[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
I believe your right. And I am willing to concede the points regarding
the two gentlemen in question. However, all of the documents I have
seen within the past ten years regarding the birth, and history of
UNIX, all have mentioned both Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie are
mentioned. Complete with the appropriately selected story as well.

I suspect however, that in that early paper, Ken Thompson is indeed
mentioned, however the web page in question does not go into enough
detail, as it should.   

And regarding the book, your right. I've got my copy of the C book
across the room, and normally don't refer to it unless necessary.

However, I would really like to have Dennis comment. Not that I doubt
you, I don't.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org
[mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On
> Behalf Of Norman Wilson
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:01 PM
> To: tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on
Salon.com
> 
>   Hello from Gregg C Levine
>   Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on
the
>   C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie,
are
>   mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in
the
>   creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned
in
>   titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.
> 
> Ken's name is on a number of interesting papers from the early days
of
> UNIX, including the original one in CACM, but so far as I can
remember
> he was never the official author or co-author of a UNIX book.  You
may
> be thinking of `The UNIX Programming Environment,' by Kernighan and
Pike.
> 
> I suppose those who don't know both Ken Thompson and Rob Pike might
> confuse them, especially since (I think) they both reside in the Bay
> Area now.  It may help to know that Rob's nose comes nearer to a
> sharp point, and that Ken is a licensed pilot.  They are certainly
> different people; I have seen them in the same room many times.
> 
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

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[Norman Wilson]

  Hello from Gregg C Levine
  Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
  C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
  mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
  creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in
  titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.

Ken's name is on a number of interesting papers from the early days of
UNIX, including the original one in CACM, but so far as I can remember
he was never the official author or co-author of a UNIX book.  You may
be thinking of `The UNIX Programming Environment,' by Kernighan and Pike.

I suppose those who don't know both Ken Thompson and Rob Pike might
confuse them, especially since (I think) they both reside in the Bay
Area now.  It may help to know that Rob's nose comes nearer to a
sharp point, and that Ken is a licensed pilot.  They are certainly
different people; I have seen them in the same room many times.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

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[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello from Gregg C Levine
Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in
titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment. 

And yes, the rest of the article did look okay, around that. 
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org
[mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Davidson
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:30 PM
> To: Gregg C Levine; 'Kenneth Stailey'; tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on
Salon.com
> 
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books.
I
> > haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in
the
> > article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but,
here
> > goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of
the
> > book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the
other
> > fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.
> 
> I'm not sure what discrepancy you are referring to - the article
looked
> quite accurate to me.
> 
> Which particular "other fellow" are you thinking of?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
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[TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

[Michael Davidson]

> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books. I
> haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in the
> article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but, here
> goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of the
> book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the other
> fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.

I'm not sure what discrepancy you are referring to - the article looked
quite accurate to me.

Which particular "other fellow" are you thinking of?

[TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello from Gregg C Levine
An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books. I
haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in the
article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but, here
goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of the
book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the other
fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.
Outside of that, it's a very well written article.

I'll probably end up searching Alibris, www.alibris.com for the books,
or related ones.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
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> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org
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> Behalf Of Kenneth Stailey
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:39 PM
> To: tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com
> 
> http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/11/30/lions/
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[TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

[Kenneth Stailey]

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/11/30/lions/

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