The Unix Heritage Society mailing list
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: lbickley@bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley)
Subject: [TUHS] Can't load split I&D files (in one PDP-11/23 PLUS)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:17:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200906251517.10301.lbickley@bickleywest.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A43EB6E.1030807@dunnington.plus.com>

On Thursday 25 June 2009, Pete Turnbull wrote:
> On 25/06/2009 21:49, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > Quoting SPC, who wrote on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 08:57:47PM +0200 ..
> >> Well, the matter is simple: I'm trying to install 2.11 BSD in one PDP-11/23
> >> PLUS with 4MB of ram, and the 'restor' and 'icheck' utilities don't load in
> >> he PDP, returning this message:
> >>
> >>   "Can't load split I&D files"
> >>
> >> I tried with the diverse distributions of Vtserver and diverse versions of
> >> 'restor'. In the case of the 2.9BSD this don't happen but the utility can't
> >> understand what is the 'vt' device.
> >>
> >> Someone has encountered and solved this problem ?
> > 
> > I could be wrong, but I think the 11/23 is not a split ID CPU?
> 
> Correct, it isn't.  You cannot run 2.11BSD in a PDP-11/23 or similar 
> machine because a lot of things in 2.11BSD require split I&D.  It's 
> declared on the first page of the setup instructions:
> 
>     "This distribution can be booted on a PDP-11 with 1Mb of memory or
>      more, separate I&D, and with any of the following disks:"
> 
> You need an 11/73 or better to have split I&D.  For those who might not 
> know what that means, it refers to the processor's ability to keep 
> I(nstructions) and D(ata) in separate spaces, so in effect virtually 
> doubling the amount of memory that can be used.  That is, you can have 
> (almost) 64K of instructions *and* (almost) 64K of data at the same 
> time.  Without split I&D, you have 64K in total for both.

As Pete says, you can't run 2.11 on an 11/23.

However, I do run 2.9 BSD on my 11/34 as it does NOT require seperate I&D
as does 2.11 BSD.

Might want to try using 2.9 on your 11/23.  Here's the CPUs supported by
2.9 BSD:

11/23, 11/24, 11/34, 11/34A, 11/34C, 11/40, 11/44, 11/45, 11/55, 11/70

Min. required memory is 192K

Regards,
Lyle


-- 
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"



      reply	other threads:[~2009-06-25 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-25 18:57 SPC
2009-06-25 20:49 ` Wilko Bulte
2009-06-25 21:12   ` Lyle Bickley
2009-06-25 21:19   ` Bill Pechter
2009-06-25 21:31     ` Wilko Bulte
2009-06-25 21:26   ` Pete Turnbull
2009-06-25 22:17     ` Lyle Bickley [this message]

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=200906251517.10301.lbickley@bickleywest.com \
    --to=lbickley@bickleywest.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).