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From: arnold@skeeve.com
To: stewart@serissa.com, marc.donner@gmail.com
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org, joseph@josephholsten.com
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Earliest UNIX Workstations?
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 06:58:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202301261358.30QDw29t019680@freefriends.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALQ0xCBcbsfTuaUGyY8+1L4ADMupqRMANjLXQSWDiG3hFd02dg@mail.gmail.com>

We had some at Georgia Tech when I was in grad school. The Accent OS for it
from CMU (I think) had a lot of ideas and techniques that showed up
later in Mach.  I once referred to Mach as "Accent running on a vax".

IIRC they had portrait shaped fairly large monochrome bitmapped displays.
But I may be misremembering.

At the time I felt like anything that wasn't Unix / written in C
wasn't worth messing with.

Arnold

Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com> wrote:

> PERQ
>
> There was some talk of making Unix run on it, but POS (PERQ-OS) was written
> in Pascal and there was no reasonable way to port over all of the existing
> stuff without rewriting it all.  I had a PERQ in my office for a while … it
> put out so much heat and noise that my officemates lobbied to have me
> evicted.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 8:01 PM Larry Stewart <stewart@serissa.com> wrote:
>
> > There was quite a lot of early activity of course!
> > Essentially all of computer science academia was aware of the Xerox Alto,
> > although it wasn't a commercial product and wasn't Unix.
> >
> > Jim Morris left PARC and went off to CMU and began talking up the idea of
> > the "3M" workstation.  One MIPs, One Megabyte of RAM, and One Million
> > Pixels.
> >
> > One of the early commercial attempts was the Three Rivers PERC (or PERQ?)
> > from the Pittsburgh startup.  There were Unix adjacent systems as well,
> > such as Apollo Domain.
> >
> > Of course then Sun got started, and MIPS, and the IBM RT and VaxStations
> > so by the mid '80s it was quite crowded.
> >
> > There is a whole other arc about the graphics workstations, with SGI,
> > Ardent, Stellar, Stardent, and so on.
> >
> > Also, before graphics became affordable, there were various clustered
> > character generator based systems like Convergent Technologies.
> >
> > -L
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2023, at 7:31 PM, Joseph Holsten <joseph@josephholsten.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > It seems like there are bountiful articles able the decline and fall of
> > the UNIX workstation, but I’ve had a hard time finding narrative about
> > workstations prior to the Stanford SUN workstation.
> >
> >
> > * was the SUN-1 the first commercially successful product? What are the
> > “it depends” edge cases?
> > * were there common recipes for proto-workstations within academic or
> > industrial research? What did those look like, who was involved?
> > * What do I really mean by workstation? Ex.gr. If an installation had a
> > PDP-11 with a single terminal and operator, is it not a workstation? Is it
> > the integration of display into the system that differentiates?
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Holsten
> > http://josephholsten.com
> > mailto:joseph@josephholsten.com
> > tel:+1-360-927-7234 <(360)%20927-7234>
> >
> > --
> =====
> nygeek.net
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-26 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-26  0:31 [TUHS] " Joseph Holsten
2023-01-26  0:51 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26  1:06   ` Luther Johnson
2023-01-26  1:15     ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26  1:01 ` Larry Stewart
2023-01-26 13:25   ` Marc Donner
2023-01-26 13:58     ` arnold [this message]
2023-01-31  2:03   ` Mary Ann Horton
2023-01-31 17:43     ` Marc Donner
2023-01-26  1:12 ` Tom Lyon
2023-01-26  1:47 ` Chris Hanson
2023-01-26  7:20   ` John Cowan
2023-01-26  7:33     ` Dave Horsfall
     [not found]     ` <CAD2gp_QtUPmd78yAixvKK1wzPX67HKZXzU5cJnVUbcWtMounGQ@mail.g mail.com>
2023-01-26 16:35       ` John Foust via TUHS
2023-01-26 17:58     ` Jon Forrest
2023-01-26 18:04     ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 21:29       ` [TUHS] Collecting notes for future “historians” was: " Joseph Holsten
2023-01-26 21:38         ` [TUHS] " Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 22:41           ` Joseph Holsten
2023-01-27  0:34             ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-27  0:36             ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-01-27  0:53               ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-27  1:28                 ` David Arnold
2023-01-27  1:35                   ` Warner Losh
2023-01-26  9:52 ` [TUHS] " emanuel stiebler
2023-01-26  9:58   ` Rob Pike
2023-01-26 10:09   ` Jaap Akkerhuis via TUHS
2023-01-26 15:14 ` Clem Cole
2023-01-26 13:15 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-26 15:58 [TUHS] " Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-26 16:04 ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-01-26 16:37   ` emanuel stiebler
2023-01-26 16:51     ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26 16:29 ` Clem Cole
2023-01-26 22:17   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-26 22:45     ` Bakul Shah
2023-01-27  0:19       ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-27 17:16         ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-27 17:36           ` Warner Losh
2023-01-27 17:37             ` Warner Losh
2023-01-27 17:45               ` Rich Salz
2023-01-27 17:54                 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-28  9:14                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-28 11:05                     ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-28 15:38                       ` Warner Losh
2023-01-28 18:50                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-29  6:48                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-29 20:39                       ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-27 17:43           ` josh
2023-01-26 16:51 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-26 18:15   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 19:39     ` Bakul Shah
2023-01-27 10:59     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 18:14 ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 20:44 ` Rob Pike
2023-01-29 23:20 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-30  0:25 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-30  5:23 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-30  8:45   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-30  9:22   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-31 11:35   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-31 23:29   ` Chris Hanson
2023-01-30 13:00 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-02-06  7:01 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-06  8:39   ` Jonathan Gray

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