From: arnold@skeeve.com
To: stewart@serissa.com, marc.donner@gmail.com
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org, joseph@josephholsten.com
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Earliest UNIX Workstations?
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 06:58:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202301261358.30QDw29t019680@freefriends.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALQ0xCBcbsfTuaUGyY8+1L4ADMupqRMANjLXQSWDiG3hFd02dg@mail.gmail.com>
We had some at Georgia Tech when I was in grad school. The Accent OS for it
from CMU (I think) had a lot of ideas and techniques that showed up
later in Mach. I once referred to Mach as "Accent running on a vax".
IIRC they had portrait shaped fairly large monochrome bitmapped displays.
But I may be misremembering.
At the time I felt like anything that wasn't Unix / written in C
wasn't worth messing with.
Arnold
Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com> wrote:
> PERQ
>
> There was some talk of making Unix run on it, but POS (PERQ-OS) was written
> in Pascal and there was no reasonable way to port over all of the existing
> stuff without rewriting it all. I had a PERQ in my office for a while … it
> put out so much heat and noise that my officemates lobbied to have me
> evicted.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 8:01 PM Larry Stewart <stewart@serissa.com> wrote:
>
> > There was quite a lot of early activity of course!
> > Essentially all of computer science academia was aware of the Xerox Alto,
> > although it wasn't a commercial product and wasn't Unix.
> >
> > Jim Morris left PARC and went off to CMU and began talking up the idea of
> > the "3M" workstation. One MIPs, One Megabyte of RAM, and One Million
> > Pixels.
> >
> > One of the early commercial attempts was the Three Rivers PERC (or PERQ?)
> > from the Pittsburgh startup. There were Unix adjacent systems as well,
> > such as Apollo Domain.
> >
> > Of course then Sun got started, and MIPS, and the IBM RT and VaxStations
> > so by the mid '80s it was quite crowded.
> >
> > There is a whole other arc about the graphics workstations, with SGI,
> > Ardent, Stellar, Stardent, and so on.
> >
> > Also, before graphics became affordable, there were various clustered
> > character generator based systems like Convergent Technologies.
> >
> > -L
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2023, at 7:31 PM, Joseph Holsten <joseph@josephholsten.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > It seems like there are bountiful articles able the decline and fall of
> > the UNIX workstation, but I’ve had a hard time finding narrative about
> > workstations prior to the Stanford SUN workstation.
> >
> >
> > * was the SUN-1 the first commercially successful product? What are the
> > “it depends” edge cases?
> > * were there common recipes for proto-workstations within academic or
> > industrial research? What did those look like, who was involved?
> > * What do I really mean by workstation? Ex.gr. If an installation had a
> > PDP-11 with a single terminal and operator, is it not a workstation? Is it
> > the integration of display into the system that differentiates?
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Holsten
> > http://josephholsten.com
> > mailto:joseph@josephholsten.com
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> >
> > --
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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-26 0:31 [TUHS] " Joseph Holsten
2023-01-26 0:51 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26 1:06 ` Luther Johnson
2023-01-26 1:15 ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 1:01 ` Larry Stewart
2023-01-26 13:25 ` Marc Donner
2023-01-26 13:58 ` arnold [this message]
2023-01-31 2:03 ` Mary Ann Horton
2023-01-31 17:43 ` Marc Donner
2023-01-26 1:12 ` Tom Lyon
2023-01-26 1:47 ` Chris Hanson
2023-01-26 7:20 ` John Cowan
2023-01-26 7:33 ` Dave Horsfall
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2023-01-26 16:35 ` John Foust via TUHS
2023-01-26 17:58 ` Jon Forrest
2023-01-26 18:04 ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 21:29 ` [TUHS] Collecting notes for future “historians” was: " Joseph Holsten
2023-01-26 21:38 ` [TUHS] " Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 22:41 ` Joseph Holsten
2023-01-27 0:34 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-27 0:36 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-01-27 0:53 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-27 1:28 ` David Arnold
2023-01-27 1:35 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-26 9:52 ` [TUHS] " emanuel stiebler
2023-01-26 9:58 ` Rob Pike
2023-01-26 10:09 ` Jaap Akkerhuis via TUHS
2023-01-26 15:14 ` Clem Cole
2023-01-26 13:15 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-26 15:58 [TUHS] " Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-26 16:04 ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-01-26 16:37 ` emanuel stiebler
2023-01-26 16:51 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26 16:29 ` Clem Cole
2023-01-26 22:17 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-26 22:45 ` Bakul Shah
2023-01-27 0:19 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-27 17:16 ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-27 17:36 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-27 17:37 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-27 17:45 ` Rich Salz
2023-01-27 17:54 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-28 9:14 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-28 11:05 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-28 15:38 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-28 18:50 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-29 6:48 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-29 20:39 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-27 17:43 ` josh
2023-01-26 16:51 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-26 18:15 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 19:39 ` Bakul Shah
2023-01-27 10:59 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 18:14 ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 20:44 ` Rob Pike
2023-01-29 23:20 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-30 0:25 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-30 5:23 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-30 8:45 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-30 9:22 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-31 11:35 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-31 23:29 ` Chris Hanson
2023-01-30 13:00 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-02-06 7:01 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-06 8:39 ` Jonathan Gray
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