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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>
To: Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl>
Cc: "tuhs@tuhs.org" <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Earliest UNIX Workstations?
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:45:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BD0E1656-F491-40B9-B017-1205EB1CF1A2@iitbombay.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0778FF74-7DF5-4072-95F3-5FF5BEB4CC33@planet.nl>

On Jan 26, 2023, at 2:17 PM, Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Bakul Shah bakul at iitbombay.org 
>> Fri Jan 27 05:39:30 AEST 2023
>> 
>> I wonder if this mythical w is the same as V's VGTS as it seems to have
>> pretty much the same model.
>> From https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/357332.357334
> 
> 
> That is an interesting thought and paper.
> 
> The paper says:
> 
> "As noted in Section 3, the VGTS is only one component of the user interface software. The other components are the view manager, the exec server, and the executives. Together, the view manager and exec server constitute the user interface management.”
> 
> In this context an “executive” seems to be similar to a shell, the exec server appears to manage client connections and the view manager seems to be similar to a window manager in X. Maybe this whole was (later?) referred to as “W”?

For the curious the sources are available at http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/Stanford/VSystem_1983.zip

It just seems weird that
a) for a research OS such as V there were more than one such effort but
b) there are no papers about W or any mention of it in V related papers.
c) there is source code for VGTS as well as at least one paper about it.
d) VGTS seems to have had similar goals as X windows.
e) there seemed to be multiple applications written using VGTS.

I didn't spend much time searching so may have missed things. I have
asked a friend who had Cheriton as research advisor in '80s but most
likely it won't yield anything.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-26 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-26 15:58 [TUHS] " Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-26 16:04 ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-01-26 16:37   ` emanuel stiebler
2023-01-26 16:51     ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26 16:29 ` Clem Cole
2023-01-26 22:17   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-26 22:45     ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2023-01-27  0:19       ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-27 17:16         ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-27 17:36           ` Warner Losh
2023-01-27 17:37             ` Warner Losh
2023-01-27 17:45               ` Rich Salz
2023-01-27 17:54                 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-28  9:14                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-28 11:05                     ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-28 15:38                       ` Warner Losh
2023-01-28 18:50                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-29  6:48                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-29 20:39                       ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-27 17:43           ` josh
2023-01-26 16:51 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-26 18:15   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 19:39     ` Bakul Shah
2023-01-27 10:59     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-01-26 18:14 ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26 20:44 ` Rob Pike
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-01-29 23:20 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-30  0:25 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-30  5:23 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-30  8:45   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-30  9:22   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-31 11:35   ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-01-31 23:29   ` Chris Hanson
2023-01-30 13:00 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-02-06  7:01 ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-06  8:39   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-01-26 13:15 Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-01-26  0:31 [TUHS] " Joseph Holsten
2023-01-26  0:51 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-26  1:06   ` Luther Johnson
2023-01-26  1:15     ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26  1:01 ` Larry Stewart
2023-01-26 13:25   ` Marc Donner
2023-01-26 13:58     ` arnold
2023-01-31  2:03   ` Mary Ann Horton
2023-01-31 17:43     ` Marc Donner
2023-01-26  1:12 ` Tom Lyon
2023-01-26  1:47 ` Chris Hanson
2023-01-26  7:20   ` John Cowan
2023-01-26  7:33     ` Dave Horsfall
     [not found]     ` <CAD2gp_QtUPmd78yAixvKK1wzPX67HKZXzU5cJnVUbcWtMounGQ@mail.g mail.com>
2023-01-26 16:35       ` John Foust via TUHS
2023-01-26 17:58     ` Jon Forrest
2023-01-26 18:04     ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-26  9:52 ` emanuel stiebler
2023-01-26  9:58   ` Rob Pike
2023-01-26 10:09   ` Jaap Akkerhuis via TUHS
2023-01-26 15:14 ` Clem Cole

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