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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Clever code (was Re: Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 16:29:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A770CCE-2BC9-4DA7-B3D7-71AF9A23F79E@iitbombay.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD-qYGqPgQJTW-yqUqY7rVpenXpjmEBkCbeoEyRF5JLJUWe7Sg@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 11, 2022, at 7:09 PM, Andrew Warkentin <andreww591@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's not necessarily true that microkernels are significantly slower.

uKernels are usually quite fast as they do so little. What can be slow
is emulating a Unix like OS on top due to context switches. For instance,
a user process doing read() will have the following context switches:

  userProc->uK->FileSystem->uK->diskDriver->uk->FileSysem->uK->userProc

or worse (I didn't account for a few things). Because of this even some
uKernels run a few critical services + drivers in the supervisor mode.
But overall slowdown of such a unix emulation will very much depend on the
workload and also what kind of performance improvements you are willing to
try in a complex kernel vs same services running in user mode.

At present the linux kernel has about 31+ Million lines (accounting for
all architectures, filesystems, device drivers etc.). The FreeBSD 13.x
kernel is about 8.7M LoC (of which 44-45% are in device drivers). I only
counted .c and .h files. In contract FreeBSD 2.2.2 kernel has ~554K LoC.
This LoC growth is entirely understandable but I wonder how things may
have turned out in an alternate universe of uKernel based designs....

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-12-15  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-10 19:38 [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2022-12-11  0:22 ` [TUHS] " Clem Cole
2022-12-11  2:37   ` segaloco via TUHS
2022-12-11 13:59   ` Michael Kjörling
2022-12-11 14:28     ` Steve Nickolas
2022-12-11 15:04       ` Dan Cross
2022-12-13  1:54         ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-11 17:18     ` Adam Thornton
2022-12-11 18:54       ` Michael Kjörling
2022-12-11 19:55         ` Dave Horsfall
2022-12-11 20:03           ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-11 23:22             ` segaloco via TUHS
2022-12-12  2:15             ` [TUHS] Clever code (was " Bakul Shah
2022-12-12  2:44               ` [TUHS] " Steve Nickolas
2022-12-12  3:09               ` Andrew Warkentin
2022-12-12  3:34                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-12  5:00                   ` Kevin Bowling
2022-12-12  5:26                   ` Andrew Warkentin
2022-12-12 15:02                     ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-12 15:29                     ` Clem Cole
2022-12-12 15:39                       ` Dan Cross
2022-12-12 16:04                       ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-12 16:26                         ` Clem Cole
2022-12-12 22:20                         ` Liam Proven
2022-12-12 23:10                           ` segaloco via TUHS
2022-12-12 23:24                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-13  2:00                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2022-12-13 13:37                         ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-13 23:00                           ` Andrew Warkentin
2022-12-14  1:05                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-14  1:40                               ` segaloco via TUHS
2022-12-14  6:32                                 ` Rich Morin
2022-12-14  2:01                               ` Andrew Warkentin
2022-12-14  7:49                                 ` arnold
2022-12-14 11:54                                   ` Brad Spencer
2022-12-14 12:08                                     ` [TUHS] Re: (TUHS -> COFF?) Re: Clever code Michael Kjörling
2022-12-14 15:14                                     ` [TUHS] Microware's OS-9 (was: Clever code) G. Branden Robinson
2022-12-14 22:41                                       ` [TUHS] " John Cowan
2022-12-14  9:46                               ` [TUHS] Re: Clever code (was Re: Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? Harald Arnesen
2022-12-15 18:33                                 ` Liam Proven
2022-12-16 10:42                                   ` Harald Arnesen
2022-12-18 14:05                                     ` Liam Proven
2022-12-18 15:08                                       ` Stuff Received
2022-12-19 11:47                                         ` Liam Proven
2022-12-20  8:30                                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2022-12-20 11:57                                         ` Liam Proven
2022-12-15  0:29                 ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2022-12-15  2:54                   ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-15  5:36                     ` Bakul Shah
2022-12-15 14:02                       ` Dan Cross
2022-12-15 14:06                         ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-15 14:18                           ` Dan Cross
2022-12-15 14:02                       ` Larry McVoy
2022-12-15  8:01                     ` Andrew Warkentin
2022-12-12  9:48               ` [TUHS] Re: Clever code Michael Kjörling
2022-12-12 21:34             ` [TUHS] Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? Dave Horsfall
2022-12-12 21:46               ` Chet Ramey

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