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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] A Paper by dmr in 1984
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:27:32 -0400	[thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <20200910164525.GR19682@mcvoy.com>

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One of the things I am most proud of as a Board Member and USENIX President
was going free access during my time. It was bold and scary, but the right
thing to do.    Too bad, IEEE and ACM don't have the same values.   A
paywall is an invisible revenue stream and makes it easy for them to
'provide value,' *but they do it one other people's work*.  Back when
publishing was a more expensive thing for them to do, it made *some*
sense.  But it should have been a zero-sum/at-cost game.  When it became
the primary revenue stream for those organizations, is when they fell from
grace.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:46 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

> I hate the paywalls as well.  Personally, if I've written something and
> someone wants it, I just give it to them.  Most decent authors I've
> encountered do the same.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 06:04:34PM +0200, Edouard Klein wrote:
> > PDFS:
> > https://sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s12045-012-0084-x
> > https://sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s12045-012-0085-9
> >
> > Paywalls where the money goes to people who did nothing of significance
> to
> > advance the published works are the bane of scientific research. Sci hub
> > is a useful crutch until we fix this mess. If you want to follow the
> > letter of the law, don't follow these links.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Edouard.
> >
> > Nelson H. F. Beebe writes:
> >
> > > Dennis Ritchie's ACM Turing Award lecture paper in Communications of
> > > the ACM 27(8) 758--760 (August 1984), doi:10.1145/358198.358207 was
> > > reprinted in UNIX Review 3(1) 28, 118--120, 122, (January 1985) [no
> > > DOI or URL yet found], and more recently, in Resonance 17(8) 810--816
> > > (August 2012) doi:10.1007/s12045-012-0091-y.
> > >
> > > There are two other UNIX-related papers in that issue of Resonance:
> > >
> > >     Pramod Chandra P. Bhatt
> > >     UNIX: Genesis and design features
> > >     Resonance 17(8) 727--747 (August 2012)
> > >     doi:10.1007/s12045-012-0084-x
> > >
> > >     K. Bhaskar
> > >     C --- Past, present, and future --- A perspective
> > >     Resonance 17(8) 748--758 (August 2012)
> > >     doi:10.1007/s12045-012-0085-9
> > >
> > > I do not have access to that journal's archives from my campus
> > > library, so I have not seen the articles.
> > >
> > > In his paper, Dennis Ritchie referred to another UNIX article that I
> > > did manage to track down and record in unix.bib:
> > >
> > >     Donald Arthur Norman
> > >     The Truth about UNIX
> > >     Datamation 27(12) 139--150 (November 1981)
> > >     https://tinyurl.com/yyselmxq
> > >
> > > The original URL is 200+ characters long, and is a freely-downloadable
> > > PDF of a reprint in AUUGN volume IV number I.  The PDF file has
> > > searchable text.
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > - Nelson H. F. Beebe                    Tel: +1 801 581 5254
>         -
> > > - University of Utah                    FAX: +1 801 581 4148
>         -
> > > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB    Internet e-mail:
> beebe@math.utah.edu  -
> > > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233                       beebe@acm.org
> beebe@computer.org -
> > > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA    URL:
> http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ -
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> ---
> Larry McVoy                  lm at mcvoy.com
> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-10 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-10 14:13 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2020-09-10 16:02 ` Clem Cole
2020-09-10 16:04 ` Edouard Klein
2020-09-10 16:45   ` Larry McVoy
2020-09-10 20:27     ` Clem Cole [this message]
2020-09-10 20:35       ` Jon Steinhart
2020-09-11  9:40   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-09-11 10:52     ` Edouard Klein
2020-09-12 11:29       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-09-11 18:52     ` John Cowan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-09 23:10 Warren Toomey
2020-09-10  0:24 ` Richard Salz
2020-09-10  6:18   ` arnold
2020-09-10  1:43 ` Dave Horsfall

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