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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
Cc: COFF <coff@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Unix game origins - stories similar to Crowther's Adventure
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 18:24:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W48Xn5hgGqdVQdRv7JWY4poosrW46_akBOSc8W8ksENdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKH6PiU1aLmUq585mBMmMmZfpuwSAE3sx-UQoj=dn5-pb-w5DA@mail.gmail.com>

[TUHS to Bcc]

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 3:23 PM Douglas McIlroy
<douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> > In the annals of UNIX gaming, have there ever been notable games that have operated as multiple processes, perhaps using formal IPC or even just pipes or shared files for communication between separate processes
>
> I don't know any Unix examples, but DTSS (Dartmouth Time Sharing
> System) "communication files" were used for the purpose. For a fuller
> story see https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/DTSS/commfiles.pdf

Interesting. This is now being discussed on the Multicians list (which
had a DTSS emulator! Done for use by SIPB). Warren Montgomery
discussed communication files under DTSS for precisely this kind of
thing; apparently he had a chess program he may have run under them.
Barry Margolin responded that he wrote a multiuser chat program using
them on the DTSS system at Grumman.

Margolin suggests a modern Unix-ish analogue may be pseudo-ttys, which
came up here earlier (I responded pointing to your wonderful note
linked above).

> > This is probably a bit more Plan 9-ish than UNIX-ish
>
> So it was with communication files, which allowed IO system calls to
> be handled in userland. Unfortunately, communication files were
> complicated and turned out to be an evolutionary dead end. They had
> had no ancestral connection to successors like pipes and Plan 9.
> Equally unfortunately, 9P, the very foundation of Plan 9, seems to
> have met the same fate.

I wonder if there was an analogy to multiplexed files, which I admit
to knowing very little about. A cursory glance at mpx(2) on 7th
Edition at least suggests some surface similarities.

        - Dan C.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-01 23:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-01 20:21 Douglas McIlroy
2023-02-01 20:41 ` A. P. Garcia
2023-02-01 20:47   ` ron minnich
2023-02-01 23:31     ` Douglas McIlroy
2023-02-02  7:30       ` [TUHS] 9P Lives. (Was: Unix game origins - stories similar to Crowther's Adventure) Ralph Corderoy
2023-02-01 23:24 ` Dan Cross [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-02-02  0:43 [TUHS] Re: Unix game origins - stories similar to Crowther's Adventure Noel Chiappa
2023-02-01  2:30 [TUHS] " Will Senn
2023-02-01  2:58 ` [TUHS] " Clem Cole
2023-02-01  4:50   ` Douglas McIlroy
2023-02-01  5:36     ` Rob Pike
2023-02-01 20:23       ` Dave Horsfall
2023-02-02 15:35         ` Marc Donner
2023-02-03  2:15           ` Adam Thornton
2023-02-01  6:27     ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-01  7:09       ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-01 14:41 ` Rich Salz
2023-02-01 15:22   ` Will Senn
2023-02-01 17:34     ` Rich Salz
2023-02-01 17:52 ` Henry Bent
2023-02-01 18:33   ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-02-01 19:09     ` Rich Salz
2023-02-01 19:16       ` Dan Cross

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